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U.S. Gives Sweeping Guidance to Schools on Transgender Students

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posted on May, 28 2016 @ 05:02 PM
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originally posted by: Annee
The only issue is your refusal to accept reality.


Now that is some irony right there.




posted on May, 28 2016 @ 05:14 PM
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originally posted by: Teikiatsu

originally posted by: Annee
The only issue is your refusal to accept reality.


Now that is some irony right there.


I realize you are another one who refuses to accept the reality of Transgender.

No surprise to hear from you, in regard to.



posted on May, 28 2016 @ 05:18 PM
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originally posted by: Teikiatsu

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: ElectricUniverse

originally posted by: Phage
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Gender dysphoria is not a disorder, but you mean like they have been "forced" to do for years and years?


So, the transgender community who wanted to push for their views to be imposed on the rest of the population . . .


Transgenders just want to pee.

It is the Fundamental Christian Right who is imposing law to prevent them from a normal human function.

Get it right - - - who exactly is imposing on who.


Exactly who is telling a person who thinks they are transgender that they cannot pee? And how are they preventing said urination?


Oh, game players - - don't ya love em.

Discrimination against Transgender is imposing restrictions on their choice to use the facility they gender identify with.

Those imposing those restrictions, are Anti-LGBT Fundamental Christian politicians.



posted on May, 28 2016 @ 05:32 PM
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a reply to: Annee

Does he, or does he not have an understanding of the issue as a former transgender person?

You think he is alone?...

A transsexual living in Mersin who underwent surgery to become a woman has requested a change in regulations so that she can return to being a man by having a penis reattached to her body.

'I was a boy.. then a girl.. now I want to be a boy again': Agony of of teen who is Britain's youngest sex-swap patient

Three former patients of Australia's controversial sex-change clinic say misdiagnosis and wrongful surgery destroyed their lives. Jill Stark reports.

Just do yourself a favor and check that contrary to what some want to tell you, including the media, and scientists who have fallen in on the "current bandwagon", many men, and women who consider themselves "trans" are also attracted to the sex they identify as. Quite a few of them also had changed their minds, which proves it is a mental disorder.

Heck... Here you go...





Again, the fact is these new "mandates" does put women and minors at higher risk because not all transgender people are either attracted to the opposite sex they identify as, not all transgenders dress as women, and even of all who do dress as women not all want to change sex and want to have sex with women and minors.



edit on 28-5-2016 by ElectricUniverse because: correct comment.



posted on May, 28 2016 @ 05:33 PM
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originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Teikiatsu

originally posted by: Annee
The only issue is your refusal to accept reality.


Now that is some irony right there.


I realize you are another one who refuses to accept the reality of Transgender.

No surprise to hear from you, in regard to.


I fully accept the reality that there are people who think they are opposite sex, or as other people have said are confused as to what their sex really is. That doesn't mean I support transforming mainstream society to suit them.



posted on May, 28 2016 @ 05:33 PM
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originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Teikiatsu

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: ElectricUniverse

originally posted by: Phage
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Gender dysphoria is not a disorder, but you mean like they have been "forced" to do for years and years?


So, the transgender community who wanted to push for their views to be imposed on the rest of the population . . .


Transgenders just want to pee.

It is the Fundamental Christian Right who is imposing law to prevent them from a normal human function.

Get it right - - - who exactly is imposing on who.


Exactly who is telling a person who thinks they are transgender that they cannot pee? And how are they preventing said urination?


Oh, game players - - don't ya love em.

Discrimination against Transgender is imposing restrictions on their choice to use the facility they gender identify with.

Those imposing those restrictions, are Anti-LGBT Fundamental Christian politicians.


So in other words, no one is telling them they can't pee.



posted on May, 28 2016 @ 06:05 PM
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originally posted by: Teikiatsu

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Teikiatsu

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: ElectricUniverse

originally posted by: Phage
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Gender dysphoria is not a disorder, but you mean like they have been "forced" to do for years and years?


So, the transgender community who wanted to push for their views to be imposed on the rest of the population . . .


Transgenders just want to pee.

It is the Fundamental Christian Right who is imposing law to prevent them from a normal human function.

Get it right - - - who exactly is imposing on who.


Exactly who is telling a person who thinks they are transgender that they cannot pee? And how are they preventing said urination?


Oh, game players - - don't ya love em.

Discrimination against Transgender is imposing restrictions on their choice to use the facility they gender identify with.

Those imposing those restrictions, are Anti-LGBT Fundamental Christian politicians.


So in other words, no one is telling them they can't pee.


Do you think I haven't read your posts enough to know you expect them to match their physical equipment?

So, enough with the games.



posted on May, 28 2016 @ 06:06 PM
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originally posted by: Teikiatsu

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Teikiatsu

originally posted by: Annee
The only issue is your refusal to accept reality.


Now that is some irony right there.


I realize you are another one who refuses to accept the reality of Transgender.

No surprise to hear from you, in regard to.


I fully accept the reality that there are people who think they are opposite sex, or as other people have said are confused as to what their sex really is. That doesn't mean I support transforming mainstream society to suit them.


What you think is not the reality.



posted on May, 28 2016 @ 06:16 PM
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a reply to: ElectricUniverse

I'm out. Can't research.

I know in legitimate research by one of the top specialist in the field of transgender, she has never encountered one case of wanting to revert or regret.

In those I have read about regret there were other psychological issues.

I don't think you've proven anything.



posted on May, 28 2016 @ 08:28 PM
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originally posted by: Annee
I'm out. Can't research.


Of course you are out...


originally posted by: Annee
I know in legitimate research by one of the top specialist in the field of transgender, she has never encountered one case of wanting to revert or regret.


Oh, wow, "you know in legitimate research"... Really? so you are claiming all these people were "making it up"?...


originally posted by: Annee
In those I have read about regret there were other psychological issues.

I don't think you've proven anything.


They were/are transgenders, and we are talking about a transgender issue. You can't simply ignore the truth despite all the "legitimate research which is trying to push an agenda".

Children's mind are very malleable, their behaviour can be mistaken and it can be changed if they are indoctrinated/taught from childhood into accepting and molding into something they are not. Are there children that were born and really are a "female inside a child's body"? Genetically it is possible. But when a person has all the physical attributes of a male and in their minds they think they are female, it can also mean that there has either been trauma, or they have been falsely indoctrinated into becoming something they are not.

Anyway, what matters is not what I think of transgenderism, but what matters is the fact that because the "transgender cause" is being pushed into society, more women and minors have to live with higher risks of being molested by men whose only purpose is to use laws/mandates such as this. Not to mention the fact that "teaching transgenderism to children from an early age" can mold them into being transgender.

If you don't think so, tell me what happens to most children who grow up watching their fathers mistreat their mothers, and abuse them? Are all cases like that? of course not. What happens to the majority of children who are taught from childhood about "being a NAZI"? What happens to the majority of children who grow up in the ghettos?...

If you were to think about it without your preconceived notions, you would realize the truth. Transgenderism is a mental disorder, because it is in the mind. It is not a physical disorder.


Gender dysphoria or gender identity disorder (GID) is the experience of dysphoria (distress) related to the sex and gender a person was assigned at birth. Evidence suggests that people who identify with a gender different from the one they were assigned at birth may do so not just due to psychological or behavioral causes, but also biological ones related to their genetics, the makeup of their brains,[1] or prenatal exposure to hormones.[2]
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GID is classified as a disorder by the ICD-10 CM[8] and DSM-5 (called gender dysphoria).[9] Many transgender people and researchers support declassification of GID because they say the diagnosis pathologizes gender variance, reinforces the binary model of gender,[10] and can result in stigmatization of transgender individuals.
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en.wikipedia.org...

Gender Identity Disorder is a disorder...

And don't tell me about "but I know an specialist that says differently"... Yeah, well there are psychiatrists that also want to claim that pedophilia is not a disorder...

APA to correct manual: Pedophilia is not a ‘sexual orientation’

You think that was a mistake?... Please... No peer-reviewed journal is going to publish something like that "by mistake". When they saw the backlash to their claim, they quickly backed off that disgusting claim.


edit on 28-5-2016 by ElectricUniverse because: add and correct comment.



posted on May, 28 2016 @ 08:38 PM
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a reply to: ElectricUniverse

GID is not transgender.

Yes, I am out. Just finished swimming at the YMCA. And now at ToysRUs getting LEGOS.

We may not agree, but when am I ever not straight forward?



posted on May, 28 2016 @ 09:26 PM
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originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Teikiatsu

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Teikiatsu

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: ElectricUniverse

originally posted by: Phage
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Gender dysphoria is not a disorder, but you mean like they have been "forced" to do for years and years?


So, the transgender community who wanted to push for their views to be imposed on the rest of the population . . .


Transgenders just want to pee.

It is the Fundamental Christian Right who is imposing law to prevent them from a normal human function.

Get it right - - - who exactly is imposing on who.


Exactly who is telling a person who thinks they are transgender that they cannot pee? And how are they preventing said urination?


Oh, game players - - don't ya love em.

Discrimination against Transgender is imposing restrictions on their choice to use the facility they gender identify with.

Those imposing those restrictions, are Anti-LGBT Fundamental Christian politicians.


So in other words, no one is telling them they can't pee.


Do you think I haven't read your posts enough to know you expect them to match their physical equipment?

So, enough with the games.


This isn't about me. I'm replying to your rhetoric.

"So in other words, no one is telling (people who claim to be transgender) they can't pee."
edit on 28-5-2016 by Teikiatsu because: (no reason given)



posted on May, 28 2016 @ 09:31 PM
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originally posted by: Teikiatsu

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Teikiatsu

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Teikiatsu

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: ElectricUniverse

originally posted by: Phage
...
Gender dysphoria is not a disorder, but you mean like they have been "forced" to do for years and years?


So, the transgender community who wanted to push for their views to be imposed on the rest of the population . . .


Transgenders just want to pee.

It is the Fundamental Christian Right who is imposing law to prevent them from a normal human function.

Get it right - - - who exactly is imposing on who.


Exactly who is telling a person who thinks they are transgender that they cannot pee? And how are they preventing said urination?


Oh, game players - - don't ya love em.

Discrimination against Transgender is imposing restrictions on their choice to use the facility they gender identify with.

Those imposing those restrictions, are Anti-LGBT Fundamental Christian politicians.


So in other words, no one is telling them they can't pee.


Do you think I haven't read your posts enough to know you expect them to match their physical equipment?

So, enough with the games.


This isn't about me. I'm replying to your rhetoric.

"So in other words, no one is telling (people who claim t be transgender) they can't pee."


I'm done with the game now.



posted on May, 28 2016 @ 09:40 PM
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originally posted by: Annee
I'm done with the game now.


In lue of you actually conceding the point, I'll take that as a "Yes I was wrong, they are not telling them they cannot pee."



posted on May, 28 2016 @ 10:52 PM
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a reply to: ElectricUniverse

I'm pretty sure Freija has addressed all this stuff in other posts.

You keep re-posting it and refuse to accept valid info that has previously been presented to you.

I'm not gonna do re-hash.



posted on May, 29 2016 @ 02:54 AM
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a reply to: ElectricUniverse
I'd like to step in and reply to this poster and ask that you at least hear me out.

ElectricUniverse, I'm going to ask you to stop with your anti-transgender campaign of half-truths, specious information and attitudes that I consider to be nothing but outright repeated and consistent trollish behavior and direct attacks on transgender peoples. In every single trans related thread you've repeatedly made your ignorance and hostility very apparent and your opinions and statements are absolutely directly putting the lives and well-being of transgender children in harms way with your spiteful campaign and I can't stand for that any longer.

You've made your point, you've said your piece and all you are doing at this point is embarrassing yourself as a very troubled regressive thinker trying to turn a lot of nothing into something because you're under the nefarious spell and evil control from sky fairies or wack conservative Republicans or some other bullsnip dogmna? Please back away, do some soul searching and find your peace in all of this. It isn't going to change or go away. Are you going to stay small and full of negative emotion that isn't doing your health any good or are you going to adapt to changes in your environment like any creature destined for survival and happiness would. Breathe deep. Let it go.

Oops! Am I name calling there or making insinuations? Well, if the shoe fits, wear it, pal. Karma is a beyotch and I think you've got some coming.

The issue here is transgender children in school. They range in age from preschoolers to university students. Some transition along the way and some have always been "transitioned". I'm not sure you're a father because I've skimmed through most of your drivel but even as a man that may be potentially a father, I have to ask you in all seriousness, what would you do if you had a genuinely transgender child?

You don't want to know the statistics and outcomes of transgender children from unsupportive families because they are horrific and worse than just about anything you can come up with. Parents of transgender kids are faced with two choices: learn everything they can about the transgender condition, love their kids unconditionally and support and affirm their children as who they or are and get the professional medical care for their children that they need or lose their children. It is that cut and dried. Full stop. End of story if not your child's life and future successes, well-being and happiness.

Try to put yourself in the shoes of a parent of any girl for a minute and envision how you'd like things to be for your young daughter. How would you want her to be treated and wouldn't you be mad if someone tried to interfere with her educational or social opportunities or the chance to grow up and have normal growing up experiences? As a parent wouldn't you be mad as hell if your daughter was excluded or separated and not treated like all the other children? I know I would be and I would probably be having words with anyone trying to stand in my daughter's (or son's) way.

What if you had a high school senior girl that looked like this?



Wouldn't you be proud as hell if she also just won homecoming queen in her Miami-Dade high school? Maybe you're too young to remember but this is Anita Bryant territory.


If this was your daughter, because she's transgender and not yet old enough for sex reassignment surgery, would you really expect her or thousands of other transgender girls just like her to use the men's bathroom? You really think the men's room is appropriate for these girls EVAR?

Honestly? Where's your heart?

How about some other prom or homecoming queen girls that also happen to be transgender? When I went to high school, these were always the most popular, best well liked and prettiest girls in school.


If you were that kind of parent do you even think your child would have stuck around long enough to even make it to be a senior in high school? Tip: probably not.

I realize this is a complicated situation, facing unfamiliar things difficult and change doesn't sometimes come easy. I realize the needs and issues of transgender children don't matter much to some and separating them and the hyperbolized predatory man in a dress meme/phobia a difficult distinction to make but let's not get carried away with blasting every single transgender related thread with your anti-transgender rhetoric because you are attempting to conflate issues without merit and the things you say are spreading toxic attitudes that negatively affect the lives of these special kids. Is that what you want? To try and fcuk up kids lives? Stop it. We all get it. Who you are as a person and your opinion on all this has been made quite clear over and over again to the point of being persecutory and malicious .

Won't you please back off a little on this? What if a transgender teenager who's life is tough enough already was reading through all the things you've posted. How do you think it's going to make them feel about themselves? I know how it makes me feel and I was a transgender teenager 48 years ago and these things are long behind me so why don't you try thinking about the kids that are most affected by all of this, who the Obama administration is issuing these guidelines about and quit being such an ass and have some compassion for your fellow human beings and to the challenges you are adding to the lives of transgender kids and their parents.

You should really be ashamed of yourself. As an ATS member since 2007, it embarrasses me that I am a member of a community that people like you and others with your persistent campaigns of anti-trans vitriol and glaring lack of information are also members of. Deny ignorance is the motto around here, not spread it. I'm sure you'll find a more accepting and agreeable audience on some right-wing, conservative, religious fundamentalist website who may happen to appreciate your nuttery. I for one, don't.

Thanks for hearing me out. Now I've said my piece but don't expect your tirade to go unchallenged as I and others have already done and will continue to do as it's what's fair in the name of equality and what is right. Some of us know about the actual lives of transgender children, people and families which is far more important than any of your "facts" from any website anywhere. Listen to us and chill the eff down. Please.



posted on Jun, 5 2016 @ 04:47 PM
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originally posted by: Teikiatsu

originally posted by: Annee
I'm done with the game now.


In lue of you actually conceding the point, I'll take that as a "Yes I was wrong, they are not telling them they cannot pee."


I think both Annee and Freija are too polite and invested in this debate to gracefully point out your error, but it's spelled in 'liue' of something.

Still, if the place where they can pee is your most important issue then I will count myself very lucky and move on.



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