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originally posted by: MysticPearl
originally posted by: roadgravel
a reply to: MysticPearl
I've spent my working life in the tech industry.
Talk to people who work in service of equipment. it's going lower just like many other jobs. These people won't be designing software. they will be changing boards, etc. Not going to be a high end tech job.
It won't be minimum wage either.
Hence why I compared it to welders, electricians and plumbers, jobs which will be a necessity and you can earn a decent living with. The higher end tech jobs require more education which again goes back to our education problems and that by and large, those jobs pull from a different pool than minimum wage workers.
originally posted by: alomaha
You cannot keep the same social system (basicly: work in exchange for survival) at this level of technology. Don't you see that pretty soon there won't be need for a majority of human labor that is required today?
originally posted by: schuyler
Of course, but the basic issue here is how soon the minimum wage line crosses over the robotics cost line. Increasing the minimum wage automatically moves that crossing closer.
originally posted by: burdman30ott6
a reply to: Willtell
What is the purpose of a business in your mind? Why in the world would anyone expect a business to not utilize any legal means at their disposal to make as much of a return on their investments as possible?
originally posted by: amazing
I think it was already in the works and not to fight the minimum wage increase. Lot's of stores have self checkout now. They had it before any minimum wage increase controversy.
originally posted by: BatheInTheFountain
Wow.
Liberals
You use the hand the Government to hike up wages, and CAPITALISTS react by automating, and you claim the "death of Capitalism", because business owners have no other choice.
America 2016
originally posted by: WeAreAWAKE
originally posted by: amazing
I think it was already in the works and not to fight the minimum wage increase. Lot's of stores have self checkout now. They had it before any minimum wage increase controversy.
Oh...I'm calling bullcrap on that comment.
Here is how it works. Humans will be employed at jobs as long as the pain and cost of keeping humans is lower than using machines. Now...what has changed. Lets see:
1. Liberal attitude: "I'm worth more that this" attitude. Sorry Walmart Greeter...no you're not. Get over yourself and your liberal view of being something special that DESERVES something special. Be glad you have a job considering you are un-skilled labor.
2. Insurance - Welcome to Obamacare where employers are FORCED to provide insurance and higher priced insurance and the employees get worse insurance with deductibles so high the insurance never pays anything.
3. The "Raise the Minimum Wage" War - Yet another liberal "genius" idea. Lets FORCE the employers to pay people more when they don't get a greater return on their money. Sure...like you would buy a more expensive brand of the same crappy product.
4. Cheap & Illegal Labor - The liberals want to keep all the illegal aliens here and allow more to just "come on in". Let me let you in on a little secret...THAT CREATES CHEAP LABOR! That is why there are employees (under the table) making $2 per hour.
So...and I'm assuming here. Your liberal beliefs, your FORCING the "evil" employers to lose money is what has lead to this...nothing else. This is your liberal legacy...this is YOUR fault entirely...this is your doing and your forced Utopia's un-doing.
Yup...you made it, you own it and YOU are the problem. Congratulations in your great accomplishment.
originally posted by: WeAreAWAKE
a reply to: jacobe001
So...if you are looking for a source of the problem...an adversary. It isn't the "Boss" nor the business owner, it is the liberal beliefs of the government you have put in place that created the problem. Start there...solve that and maybe some form of what you want can emerge.
originally posted by: WeAreAWAKE
a reply to: jacobe001
Your job as a "Boss" or a business owner is NOT to feed, cloth, insure, pay for transportation, etc. for other people. Namely your employees. Your employees are a "necessary evil" since if you could conduct business without them...you would.
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originally posted by: jacobe001
originally posted by: WeAreAWAKE
a reply to: jacobe001
So...if you are looking for a source of the problem...an adversary. It isn't the "Boss" nor the business owner, it is the liberal beliefs of the government you have put in place that created the problem. Start there...solve that and maybe some form of what you want can emerge.
It is not Liberals or Conservatives that are the issue.
It is Big Banking and Big Business along with their puppet politicians that want to crush out all independent small business so they have complete and total power over everyone.
The RNC and DNC Party Delegates consist of Corporate and Banking Lobbyists and they choose who they want to run, not the American Voters.
Obama was put in by Banking and Corporate Lobbyists that own in the DNC and they want you out of business.
originally posted by: jacobe001
originally posted by: WeAreAWAKE
a reply to: jacobe001
Your job as a "Boss" or a business owner is NOT to feed, cloth, insure, pay for transportation, etc. for other people. Namely your employees. Your employees are a "necessary evil" since if you could conduct business without them...you would.
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The problem I have with this kind of thinking though makes slave owners from Americans Early History Saints compared to your version. They owned the slaves but they also had to house, feed and clothe them.
originally posted by: WeAreAWAKE
a reply to: jacobe001
This has less to do with "Big Business" than it has to do with "Business 101". When you own a business and can provide the same quality of product or service, for a lessor cost, with less aggravation...you would be a stupid business person to not enact that change. Your job as the "Boss" is to keep profits up...to keep your investors happy...and keep your business running and competitive.
Your job as a "Boss" or a business owner is NOT to feed, cloth, insure, pay for transportation, etc. for other people. Namely your employees. Your employees are a "necessary evil" since if you could conduct business without them...you would.
On a separated but related note...I actually own a business whose purpose IS to pay for the employees. Me and two others are involved in the business and our "goal" is simply to cover our desired salaries. Yes...we make a bit more and keep it for unexpected expenses...but in short...if we pay ourselves, our building, our taxes, etc....and still have a little left over, we have met our goal. Isn't that great? Isn't that a wonderful idea?
You would think, but the government takes 40% of that from us thus making us have to work more...thus making us think we need more. Maybe if government (currently Obama, Democrats and liberals) would actually support small businesses instead of trying to KILL them...some of your beliefs would still exist.
So...if you are looking for a source of the problem...an adversary. It isn't the "Boss" nor the business owner, it is the liberal beliefs of the government you have put in place that created the problem. Start there...solve that and maybe some form of what you want can emerge.
originally posted by: WeAreAWAKE
While I don't disagree with you and while I do understand all the inner-workings of our government, it is (in my opinion) the left that has damaged small business far more than the right. The right didn't force Obamacare that hurts small business for example.