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Did Jesus Ever Really Intend For "Christianity"?

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posted on May, 12 2016 @ 05:34 PM
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a reply to: windword




There is no evidence, outside of the Bible, for this magic man, who supposedly had vast amounts of people follow him around, doing amazing things.


You're speaking of a character in a book. The question is whether the character is based on a real person. There is no evidence outside north Korean propaganda that Kim Jung Ill, who was born of a divine birth, ever existed. Yet Kim Jong Il, born in Siberia, existed.




posted on May, 12 2016 @ 05:37 PM
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a reply to: LesMisanthrope

Nonsense! There's plenty of proof that Kim Jung Ill lived. There's proof that Pilate existed. There's proof that John the Baptist existed. There is nothing to prove that Jesus, a character from a book, existed.


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posted on May, 12 2016 @ 05:39 PM
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a reply to: solongandgoodnight

Thanks for being civil.

But I do believe that you're the one that is reading into the text to find something that isn't there(as I did). I too believe that Jesus meant what he said. He was pretty direct about it.

But, if God is gracious, life is long. I hope you continue searching and come into the simple truth of the Gospel of Jesus the Christ.



posted on May, 12 2016 @ 05:40 PM
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a reply to: windword




Nonsense! There's plenty of proof that Kim Jung Ill lived. There's proof that Pilate existed. There's proof that John the Baptist existed. There is nothing to prove that Jesus existed.


Therefor he never existed? How is that reasonable?



posted on May, 12 2016 @ 05:51 PM
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a reply to: LesMisanthrope

How are his Bible stories reasonable? How is it all reasonable to assume any of it is true?

Of course there was a "Jesus", Josephus mentions 19 of them, it was a very common name.

A Surfeit of Jesuses! – But No "Jesus of Nazareth"



posted on May, 12 2016 @ 05:56 PM
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How are his Bible stories reasonable? How is it all reasonable to assume any of it is true?

Of course there was a "Jesus", Josephus mentions 19 of them, it was a very common name.

A Surfeit of Jesuses! – But No "Jesus of Nazareth"


I never said his Bible stories are reasonable.

I'm asking you why you think rejecting the possibility that a myth might have been based on a real man is reasonable.
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posted on May, 12 2016 @ 05:59 PM
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a reply to: LesMisanthrope

You really believe that Kim Jong Un is divine? I have no hope for you.



posted on May, 12 2016 @ 06:02 PM
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a reply to: Deaf Alien




You really believe that Kim Jong Un is divine? I have no hope for you.


Are you serious? There is no hope for you.



posted on May, 12 2016 @ 06:05 PM
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a reply to: LesMisanthrope

The myth of Jesus Christ is based on a spiritual analogy. Christianity is not based on the life and times of one man. It's based on magic.



posted on May, 12 2016 @ 06:05 PM
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a reply to: LesMisanthrope

You are trying to argue that Kim Jong Un exist the same way you argue that Jesus existed. I know you too well from seeing your posts over the years.



posted on May, 12 2016 @ 06:06 PM
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a reply to: TheOnlyAnswer

The gospel of Jesus or the gospel of Paul? They are two completely different messages.



posted on May, 12 2016 @ 06:07 PM
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a reply to: Joecanada11

Please prove your claim.



posted on May, 12 2016 @ 06:08 PM
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a reply to: Deaf Alien




You are trying to argue that Kim Jong Un exist the same way you argue that Jesus existed. I know you too well from seeing your posts over the years.


First, it was Kim Jong Il. Second, I was only trying to illustrate that myths and legends can be started about real people. No I do not think Kim had a divine birth, just like I do not think Jesus had a divine birth, or rose from the dead. But I'm not surprised you'd stretch your comprehension beyond the breaking point to land at this conclusion—I know you too well from your posts.



posted on May, 12 2016 @ 06:09 PM
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a reply to: LesMisanthrope

Ok what exactly are you trying to argue? That Jesus did indeed exist?



posted on May, 12 2016 @ 06:10 PM
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a reply to: windword




The myth of Jesus Christ is based on a spiritual analogy. Christianity is not based on the life and times of one man. It's based on magic.


I'm probably not much of a bible scholar as you are. I wouldn't waste so much time on it. But based on magic? Based on a spiritual analogy? I'm not sure what that means.



posted on May, 12 2016 @ 06:11 PM
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originally posted by: TheOnlyAnswer
a reply to: Joecanada11

Please prove your claim.


Paul taught the Jesus died for our sins. But Jesus, supposedly, went around forgiving people, without being dead! Jesus taught, supposedly, that we are forgiven as we forgive others.



posted on May, 12 2016 @ 06:13 PM
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a reply to: Deaf Alien




Ok what exactly are you trying to argue? That Jesus did indeed exist?


We are arguing the possibility of a historical Jesus, that a religious man named Jesus may have been crucified around that time. No, I'm not saying a man name Jesus was born of a virgin, walked on water, and ascended to heaven after death. We're trying to talk about reality here, not myth.



posted on May, 12 2016 @ 06:16 PM
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originally posted by: windword

originally posted by: TheOnlyAnswer
a reply to: Joecanada11

Please prove your claim.


Paul taught the Jesus died for our sins. But Jesus, supposedly, went around forgiving people, without being dead! Jesus taught, supposedly, that we are forgiven as we forgive others.


I could refer you back to the bits in John where Jesus talks about being the Good Shepard and laying down his life for his sheep. The sacrifice is foreshadowed all through the Bible, even back as far as Abraham and Isaac.

Yes, Jesus is the embodiment of forgiveness, and He both forgave and still forgives and redeems us to God.

So this is not inconsistent with Paul.
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posted on May, 12 2016 @ 06:17 PM
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originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: windword




The myth of Jesus Christ is based on a spiritual analogy. Christianity is not based on the life and times of one man. It's based on magic.


I'm probably not much of a bible scholar as you are. I wouldn't waste so much time on it. But based on magic? Based on a spiritual analogy? I'm not sure what that means.


All Bible stories are spiritual analogies.




posted on May, 12 2016 @ 06:18 PM
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If he did, there wouldn't be Occult Christians(so called fakes). Brainwashing little kids.

Judaism talks about him, Muslims takes about him, and Christians talk about him. Basically every country the had contact with Jesus close to Jerusalem.

The only places that didn't is the Conquered Natives Americans(South and North America), and Far East Asia with Buddhism.

This means Jesus wasn't able to travel far West to America and Far East to China/Japan. Christianity only spread because Europeans became completely backwards after fall of Rome.

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