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In this particular instance, Garrison says the rectangular nature of the feature and the secondary vegetation growing back within it are “clear signs” of a relic milpa. A milpa is a crop-growing system used throughout Mesoamerica, primarily in the Yucatan peninsula area of Mexico (which is exactly where this supposed lost Maya city is located). The word milpa is taken from the Nahuatl term for “maize field.”
“I’d guess it’s been fallow for 10-15 years,” Garrison told Gizmodo. “This is obvious to anyone that has spent any time at all in the Maya lowlands. I hope that this young scholar will consider his pursuits at the university level so that his next discovery—and there are plenty to be made—will be a meaningful one.”
David Stuart, an anthropologist from the Mesoamerica Center-University of Texas at Austin agrees, but his words were less kind. At his Facebook page he referred to Gadoury’s work as “junk science.” “Seeing such patterns is a rorschach process, since sites are everywhere, and so are the stars,” he wrote. “The square feature that was found on Google Earth is indeed man-made, but it’s an old fallow cornfield, or milpa.”
Ivan Šprajc, a researcher from the Institute of Anthropological and Spatial Studies in Slovenia, also said the idea that the Maya correlated their settlements with stars is “utterly” unlikely. “We do know that the Maya were very good astronomers and that they were interested in certain stars and asterisms,” he explained to Gizmodo. “But how could constellations reveal the location of Maya sites remains a mystery to me. Very few Maya constellations have been identified, and even in these cases we do not know how many and which stars exactly composed each constellation.”
Lastly, Šprajc pointed out that the coordinates of the Maya city, which Gadoury claims is in northern Guatemala, is actually located in southern Campeche, Mexico. He also believes, like Garrison and Stuart, that the features shown in the satellite photos is an old milpa, abandoned years ago “but definitely not centuries ago.”
originally posted by: Jakal26
a reply to: Onesmartdog
Dude....there is no reason to be "sorry". You posted something you found interesting and it turned out not to be what you initially thought it was. I'd venture to say we have all done that at one time or another. If someone claims they have not, they are either lying or they don't post much outside the prescribed "norm". It's not a big deal.
We are all better educated because of this follow up. I am sure theantediluvian is not taking a personal jab at you. I'm also sure no one is "pissed" because you posted something that wasn't what you initially thought it to be. If they are pissed, they are the one(s) with the problem, not you.
Take it easy on yourself, man.
Apologies like that will make you seem "weak" to our more brutal members (none of them in this thread at this point, yet) and they will absolutely eat you for lunch around here. (just a word of friendly advice)
...now, since you paid for the first round, this one's on me.
Sh*t...make it a double, seems you might need it
originally posted by: Onesmartdog
a reply to: theantediluvian
Thought it was a cool story to share, nothing more. I'm new, so I didn't expect this. It looked, at the time , legit.
Sorry if I have pissed some people off because of it.
But the jury is still out on this. Gave you a star and a flag, if that makes you feel better. Still don't understand that system. Seems kind of silly to me.
Here, have a beer on me.
The kid (Gadoury) didn't push this as a 'discovery,' that was the media sensationalizing it. Gadoury should be congratulated for his efforts, and the scientific community should embrace him for that and the reasons for why his discovery turned out to be otherwise given to him, along with methods of how future research can be conducted.
Based on these expert reactions, it seems unlikely that this Canadian teen’s green rectangles are lost Maya structures. But as Garrison pointed out, only a ground-based expedition to the area will confirm things one way or another.
I have recently read about one of the latest list cities that was splashed all over the media, turns out itcwssnt list at all, the locals knew it was there, it was even excavated in the early 20 th century.
This much is true: William Gadoury, now 15, won a contest to present his theory that Mayan cities were correlated with constellations at a conference a few years ago. He happened to be next to a booth of the Canadian Space Agency, where scientists took notice and decided to help the kid out. So Canada turned its RADARSAT-2, a satellite that usually tracks sea ice and shipping in Canada, to a remote corner of Mexico—right where Goudry’s constellation theory predicted a city would be. Lo and behold, those images seemed to show manmade structures.
Satellite imagery can be a powerful tool for studying the ancient world. “Space archaeologists” like Sarah Parcak want to use readily available data like this to lower the barriers to entry in science, and a teenager finding a long-lost city would be a pretty stunning proof of concept. But that isn’t what the images show.
The square in the CSA’s satellite images is probably an abandoned field, and another spot may be a small dry lake or clearing in the jungle, says archaeologist Ivan Šprajc. Gizmodo, in its updated story, has noted the same about the square structure.
Scientists believe the pyramid, which is similar to this one in Chichen-Itza in Mexico, was undiscovered until now because of the remoteness of the area and the fact the area was covered by heavy undergrowth
We’ve now heard from an anthropologist from the University of California San Diego’s Mesoamerican Archaeology Laboratory who’s actually seen this area with his own eyes. “We’ve visited them, and my grad students know them quite well,” explained Geoffrey E. Braswell to Gizmodo. “They’re not Maya pyramids.”
Braswell and his colleagues are familiar with this remote part of Mexico because they’re collaborators on a German-Mexican archaeological project near the area, one led by Nikolai Grube from the University of Bonn and Antonio Benavides from Insitituto Nacional de Antropología e Historia.
“They’re either abandoned cornfields, or active marijuana fields,” he told Gizmodo. Intriguingly, marijuana operations are common in the area.