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16 West Point cadets cadets in raised-fist photo won't be punished

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posted on May, 11 2016 @ 05:57 PM
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a reply to: Smellthecoffee

If it makes you feel better...




posted on May, 11 2016 @ 05:59 PM
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a reply to: TinfoilTP

Obviously, the military disagrees with you. Odd that.

But, worry not, I'm sure this will come up in discussion later in their careers when promotion boards are convened. Someone with their head up their unmentionables, will say much what some of you lot are saying...and that'll cost 'em their career. For a simple fist upraised.

Howzabout we wait until they actually do something wrong before judging.



posted on May, 11 2016 @ 06:00 PM
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a reply to: theantediluvian
Your flag killed 6 million Jewish people!!! A bad flag!



posted on May, 11 2016 @ 06:09 PM
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a reply to: Quantum12

Very bad, but so is communism.


en.wikipedia.org...



posted on May, 11 2016 @ 06:11 PM
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a reply to: TinfoilTP

It's not a BLM salute. It's a symbol of pride. Use your brain. Being proud is not a political expression. If you think people should be imprisoned for something like this I would hate to see you in a position power. Good thing you aren't.



posted on May, 11 2016 @ 06:12 PM
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originally posted by: seagull
a reply to: TinfoilTP

Obviously, the military disagrees with you. Odd that.

But, worry not, I'm sure this will come up in discussion later in their careers when promotion boards are convened. Someone with their head up their unmentionables, will say much what some of you lot are saying...and that'll cost 'em their career. For a simple fist upraised.

Howzabout we wait until they actually do something wrong before judging.



They did do something wrong, they made a political expression as cadets.
It doesn't matter if you think it is a bad wrong, it is still a wrong. They cannot uphold their oaths, they have no business in the uniforms.



posted on May, 11 2016 @ 06:12 PM
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a reply to: Substracto

I agree with your point!



posted on May, 11 2016 @ 06:13 PM
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a reply to: Joecanada11

"It's a symbol of pride. Use your brain. Being proud is not a political expression"

Not exactly, sport! You can have black pride, asian pride, gay pride, but when it comes to white pride, it's automatically assumed as racism and xenophobia! double standards much.



posted on May, 11 2016 @ 06:14 PM
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I really liked the photograph in the OP.

The raised fist is a universal symbol.

Comparisons to the symbols of the National Socialists or the Confederates are too smallminded for my taste.

The Nazis and the Confederates would be horrified by the picture, we should be proud.

Those girls have every right to be proud.

The West Point authorities were right to let this go in my opinion.




posted on May, 11 2016 @ 06:15 PM
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a reply to: TinfoilTP

So soldiers are not allowed the same rights as any other American citizen?

Well, then why would they even consider fighting and leading our armed services to protect liberties you don't think they deserve?



posted on May, 11 2016 @ 06:20 PM
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originally posted by: Kali74
a reply to: Martin75

The raised fist predates the Black Panthers and it's a symbol of fighting oppression as well as a sign of solidarity.


AAAaaand the Confederate Flag is just a symbol of resistance against Federal overreach and punitive taxation, and for the independence of local government over national.
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posted on May, 11 2016 @ 06:21 PM
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originally posted by: Substracto
a reply to: Quantum12

Very bad, but so is communism.


en.wikipedia.org...


I know a cult that has killed more:

It's called religion.
www.reddit.com...

It seems, from a purely statistical viewpoint; religion is worse than Communism.

Go figure.



posted on May, 11 2016 @ 06:22 PM
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originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: TinfoilTP

So soldiers are not allowed the same rights as any other American citizen?


Not in uniform or when representing their branch of the military. And in a lot of other ways that UCMJ spells out that are not necessarily crimes for citizens, but can be a career ender or hard time for someone in the service.



posted on May, 11 2016 @ 06:22 PM
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a reply to: Smellthecoffee

👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽



posted on May, 11 2016 @ 06:23 PM
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a reply to: Smellthecoffee

Thats why communism also abolishes religion.



posted on May, 11 2016 @ 06:26 PM
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a reply to: Bedlam

True, but apparently this is not one of those cases.

They were cleared of any wrongdoing and they were allowed to exercise their right.

We should be supportive of that, instead of saying it is wrong because we happen to disagree with how they did exercise that right.



posted on May, 11 2016 @ 06:26 PM
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originally posted by: seagull
But, worry not, I'm sure this will come up in discussion later in their careers when promotion boards are convened.



As Shakespeare said - The evil that men do lives after them;
The good is oft interrèd with their bones.

That is the military way. One little screw-up when you're 18 will still be haunting you at 28.



posted on May, 11 2016 @ 06:29 PM
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originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: Bedlam

True, but apparently this is not one of those cases.


It was inappropriate. And while they 'got away with it this time' due to public scrutiny, it's easy enough to sideline them quietly later. Which, I suspect, will happen.

Once they graduate, all you've got to do is not advance them in grade. Three times, you're out.

eta: # you can get away with with a shake of the head, maybe a facepalm as an NCO you can't get away with as an officer, and twice as bad if you're a Pointer. You are expected to have better judgement.
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posted on May, 11 2016 @ 06:30 PM
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a reply to: seagull

I'd hope that they see their fellow soldiers as fellow soldiers and not white or "other" soldiers.

That goes for "other" soldiers being gay, white, Asian, what-have-you.



posted on May, 11 2016 @ 06:32 PM
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a reply to: Bedlam

Sad, if true.

Free speech, but only if we like it.





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