16 West Point cadets cadets in raised-fist photo won't be punished

a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

Using one fist or the other doesn't make it any less of a socialist symbol of solidarity. Is the way the fist faces forward...

See here...

Left fist...



Right fist...



But I guess those are not representing the "solidarity of socialists" because they are using different hands? wth?...

Here, some more examples if you want.

Left fist



Right fist.



Left fist from one of the Occupy signs. (not all the Occupy protesters were socialists, that's not what I am saying)

originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan

I didn't take a swipe at you.

Then I apologize for my response to you.

originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan

But if this isn't about race...then what is it about?

To me it shows just how much the indoctrination has been going on. Some people might want to claim the raised fist has been around for far longer than socialism, but so was the swastika. The fact is in the 20th century the raised fist in that fashion is a sign of solidarity from socialists, and other very left-wing ideologues.

Actually, after reading what the women themselves said, and knowing that these were not the only women from that class maybe it was about race. They segregated themselves and made these signs?... wow...

You don't want to see it, that's fine.
Go ahead and keep using the McCarthy era as if that is some kind of evidence political correctness is not occurring in the country and a very left wing indoctrination hasn't been going on...

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Eh, it might be kind of like an experience I had once.

I went to a Catholic prayer rally and everyone put forward their hands to bless the people up front. This was during the "Pope Benny is a Nazi" days.

The result was kind of like this:

umatuna.org...

But with a bunch of older white people...so it looked...shall we say...awkward. My kids were with me and thought it looked like the Nazi salute. Then again, they also remarked that one of the KofC looked a bit like Captain Hook.

Mistaken identity? If I were the priest I'd probably say "raise both hands for the blessing" rather than "raise your right" just because...

Im offended that your offended.

I means gods, black people doing something black, the humanity! think about the children, what about the children!

originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan
a reply to: Snarl

Oh, you're right. This story has nothing to do with attempting to force people to change their behavior due to skin color. I remember when we were all outraged about this incident:

White people wouldn't have been able to get away with the Nazi salute. Why are you attempting to change the context? The other thing that doesn't hold with your comparison, is that your photo was taken in a public venue while their's was posed for in virtual privacy ... staged, for all intents and purposes ... clearly a message (and a bad one for the military).

Somehow, I have a feeling this will be the last group of black cadets who 'get away with it' at the Academy. And this group ... they won't last. Look at how fat they are at their young age. Other standards will be enforced and they'll just go away. I'd be willing to bet you a thousand dollars not one of them will ever earn their flag.

The Army's traditional standards have been laid waste. It took 50 years. I won't cry over spilled milk, nor will I fail to note the obvious. I wonder who'll scream the loudest when the ousting begins. It'll only need someone like Trump to point out what is obviously degrading the performance of the military at the troop level ... or a world war. Pit this group of cadets against the Russians or the Chinese (or even the North Koreans for that matter) ... we'd lose.

originally posted by: Snarl



White people wouldn't have been able to get away with the Nazi salute.

there we go....moore's law. LOL.

Who would be seen positively giving a Nazi salute?

Why are you attempting to change the context?

Its a logic test: How does this stand up in other similar situation? Its not apples and oranges, they are similar situations, and highlights the rather mundane nature of hand gestures in general. Regardless, im not the one who invoked moores law here. Talk about apples and oranges.

The other thing that doesn't hold with your comparison, is that your photo was taken in a public venue while their's was posed for in virtual privacy ... staged, for all intents and purposes ... clearly a message (and a bad one for the military).

it seems like you are inferring intent here. The military's pleasure with it is irrelevant to me. The simple fact that black students are being harassed for doing something that white people don't seem to be harassed over seems to be improper.

Somehow, I have a feeling this will be the last group of black cadets who 'get away with it' at the Academy. And this group ... they won't last. Look at how fat they are at their young age. Other standards will be enforced and they'll just go away. I'd be willing to bet you a thousand dollars not one of them will ever earn their flag.

The Army's traditional standards have been laid waste. It took 50 years. I won't cry over spilled milk, nor will I fail to note the obvious. I wonder who'll scream the loudest when the ousting begins. It'll only need someone like Trump to point out what is obviously degrading the performance of the military at the troop level ... or a world war. Pit this group of cadets against the Russians or the Chinese (or even the North Koreans for that matter) ... we'd lose.

i should point out; im no fan of the military or what we do with it. in fact, i directly blame the military for the coke and heroin problems in the US.

Good for them!

This is about solidarity, they're proud of their accomplishment and frankly, when they're old and gray and most all the bigots who got their undies in a bunch about this are long dead this photo may well end up being among the most sentimental reminders they have of their careers.

so that makes it okay? give me a break. we know and these girls know exactly who they are saluting. and its not freedom.

a reply to: JourneymanWelder

psychological projection


inferring what was not overtly implied can be projection

a reply to: Snarl

I'm just going to go out on a limb and say there's something generally creepy about people in uniforms raising a fist as some kind of salute.

Possibly it's just me, but there's something kind of menacing about it. It's the sort of thing you expect the quasi-nazi-dressed bad guys in the sci-fi dystopia to do right before trying to blow up the protagonists. There's something very Hydra-Sith Lord-Sauron-President Snow about it as gestures go.

originally posted by: TheBulk

originally posted by: Kali74
a reply to: Martin75

The raised fist predates the Black Panthers and it's a symbol of fighting oppression as well as a sign of solidarity. In the Black Panthers it was a symbol of black power fighting oppression, there was/is nothing anti-white about it.

Because they're so oppressed. Now it's a symbol of hate and supremacy.

By that logic you can say the same thing about being Caucasian, after years of Europeans raping and invading other countries, light skin is a symbol of hate and supremacy.

It seems like what we are seeing here is a a pattern of the new younger generation rehashing old movements and upping the ante or changing the narrative.

a reply to: Martin75

They where just having fun man

Would you prefer middle fingers and such

a reply to: SisterDelirium

It creeps me out too.
It seems cult like.
Stand in solidarity but do something weird like raise your fist like a che guevara follower.

I found it interesting what subjects and images showed up on a Google Image Search of the word "Solidarity"

a reply to: movingmyeye

Google image search is usually pretty interesting, I've found.

originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan
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it seems like you are inferring intent here. The military's pleasure with it is irrelevant to me. The simple fact that black students are being harassed for doing something that white people don't seem to be harassed over seems to be improper.
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You are wrong in that. Recently Beyonce was the latest black celebrity to "celebrate" BLM with their socialist salute. I didn't say anything, saw the threads and just thought "another very rich left winger who has no idea what socialism actually is even though she can swim in a pool full of multi-million dollars if she wanted". But despite her ignorance on the subject, she has a right to make that sign if she wants.

However, you get a group of military cadets, who not only make a political statement in uniform, but in fact segregated themselves and made the socialist sign, shows bad judgement on their part. They even talked about the consequences they might face if they did this. So they knew what they were doing was wrong, but went ahead and did it anyway. It was a political statement and they knew it and did it.

They can hold whatever political belief they want, but doing it while in uniform should have never happened, more so since they segregated themselves and did the salute synonym of not only BLM but The Black Panthers as well.

originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan
i should point out; im no fan of the military or what we do with it. in fact, i directly blame the military for the coke and heroin problems in the US.

Perhaps you should blame more the people that use these drugs, and not the military... If there is a large demand on a product there will always be someone to supply that demand to make money and have some sort of power.

originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan
psychological projection


inferring what was not overtly implied can be projection

So you are claiming these women were completely ignorant of what that salute means, or what people would think about the fact that they segregated themselves on purpose and made that salute?

I guess they don't teach history, or even military history to military cadets anymore... Heck, I guess these women never saw what celebrities like Beyonce did with this very same salute and they had no idea what she, and other celebrities did it for?...

I agree that its poor judgement by the ladies but to be honest as long as they are still training properly as cadets then I see no real problem with it. I'd be more concerned if you had 15 male cadets screaming god is great while raising the index finger upwards (IS sign).

There's a world of difference between the two situations...

a reply to: Mclaneinc

Well, as it is BLM leaders, even founder and co-founders, always start their speeches commemorating "Assata Shakur". Heck, there are BLM t-shirts that say on them "Assata Taught me"...


Link

You have also got BLM protesters calling for the murder of police officers.

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Protesters carried signs reading "Jail Killer Cops" and "Black Lives Matter." They chanted "I can't breathe," the last words of Garner, who died after he was placed in a police chokehold while being arrested on Staten Island.

www.nbcnewyork.com...

Of course, this same group doesn't say anything at all or protest about the black on black murders which occur a lot more frequently.