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originally posted by: ElectricUniverse
a reply to: MystikMushroom
Oh yeah, you mean the socialists, communists, and anarchists who in the summer of 1936 in Spain went on a rampage and murdered tens of thousands of people, including almost 7,000 clergy, and other people for being religious, or capitalists, including landowners in one summer?... yeah MystikMushroom, they were so pacifists right?...
Red Terror (Spain)
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The Red Terror in Spain (Spanish: Terror Rojo)[3] is the name given by historians to various acts of violence committed from 1936 until the end of the Spanish Civil War "by sections of nearly all the leftist groups".[4][5] News of the rightist military coup in 1936 unleashed a social revolutionary response, and no republican region escaped revolutionary and anticlerical violence - though in the Basque Country this was minimal.[6] The violence consisted of the killing of tens of thousands of people (including 6,832(7) members of the Catholic clergy, the vast majority in the summer of 1936 in the wake of the military coup), as well as attacks on landowners, industrialists, and politicians, and the desecration and burning of monasteries and churches....
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Yeah those pacifists raising the fists, I mean who would think these people want to murder anyone who happens to disagree with their left-wing ideology... Right MystikMushroom?...
originally posted by: WhateverYouSay
You realize they were fighting the right, who did worse? The white terror killed hundreds of thousands.
You're essentially making an argument that WW2 was wrong because Dresden was an atrocity.
originally posted by: draoicht
a reply to: ElectricUniverse
Franco had friends to help him. Like the Condor Legion.
They went on to murder quite a few million elsewhere in Europe.
originally posted by: ElectricUniverse
originally posted by: WhateverYouSay
You realize they were fighting the right, who did worse? The white terror killed hundreds of thousands.
You're essentially making an argument that WW2 was wrong because Dresden was an atrocity.
The white terror was a response to the left-wing violence. The majority of Spaniards were Catholics and they were afraid of the left, more so when they murdered so many people in just 3 months. The red terror, and the left-wing murders of innocent civilians, including the almost 7,000 of the clergy facilitated the emergence of Francisco Franco, who used a heavy hand to stop the left from murdering more people.
The White terror started from 17 July 1936 to 1 April 1939. If Franco hadn't taken over, and used such measures Spain would have turned into another China with millions murdered by the left.
West Point center cites dangers of ‘far right’ in U.S.
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The West Point center typically focuses reports on al Qaeda and other Islamic extremists attempting to gain power in Asia, the Middle East and Africa through violence.
But its latest study turns inward and paints a broad brush of people it considers “far right.”
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The report also draws a link between the mainstream conservative movement and the violent “far right,” and describes liberals as “future oriented” and conservatives as living in the past.
“While liberal worldviews are future- or progressive -oriented, conservative perspectives are more past-oriented, and in general, are interested in preserving the status quo.” the report says. “The far right represents a more extreme version of conservatism, as its political vision is usually justified by the aspiration to restore or preserve values and practices that are part of the idealized historical heritage of the nation or ethnic community.”
The report adds: “While far-right groups’ ideology is designed to exclude minorities and foreigners, the liberal-democratic system is designed to emphasize civil rights, minority rights and the balance of power.”
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originally posted by: yeahright
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Ordinarily, I'd blink past it without another thought. But I get a little agitated when some deluded individuals want to go out of their way to degrade some people who have agreed to put themselves in position to make a maximum sacrifice for the rest of us. I've seen you bloviate here enough over the past 12 years to know how you are, and as a member, I generally ignore it.
But this goes beyond disrespectful, right up to reprehensible. So laugh that off.
originally posted by: matafuchs
a reply to: Blackmarketeer
So where are the white cadets?
"While the inquiry did not find that these cadets violated a policy or regulation, it did determine that they demonstrated a lapse of awareness in how symbols and gestures can be misinterpreted and cause division," Caslen wrote in a letter Tuesday to the Corps of Cadets. "The impact of this photo, regardless of its intent, is evident. It is unfortunate that this perception brought attention to our Alma Mater for all the wrong reasons."
Based on the inquiry, some of the cadets involved knew what they were doing could prove incendiary. Two cadets reportedly proposed the "raised fist" stance during the shoot and two others immediately expressed concern, according to the investigator. They asked, "Are we really doing this?" A cadet defended the photo, telling the other women, "This isn't an [equal opportunity] violation and we won't get in trouble for it." The cadet's name is redacted in the report. There were nine photos taken during the shoot and three poses, referred to as "Serious," "Raised Fist" and "Silly" in the report.
The investigator recommended no delays to the women's May 21 graduation, provided "they display an understanding of how their actions as Cadets and future Officers were inappropriate, at the conclusion of the instruction."
This controversy could complicate the "Old Corps" photo tradition.
"I recommend all future 'Old Corps' photographs be reviewed by the West Point public affairs office prior to release to any Cadet or outside agency," the investigator wrote in his memo.
The controversial photo of 16 black female cadets raising their fists was just one of dozens of images the women took as part of a long-held West Point tradition, according to Brenda Sue Fulton, a 1980 West Point grad who chairs the U.S. Military Academy’s Board of Visitors.
The women were posing for an “Old Corps photo,” Fulton told Army Times, “a long-held tradition at the Academy.”
“Different teams and groups get together on their own to mimic the high-collar, ultra-serious, photos of 19th century cadets,” she explained of the tradition.
“When I spent time with these cadets and heard them tell their stories and laugh and joke with each other, there’s no doubt in my mind how much they love West Point, they love the Army and they support each other.”
But would Fulton, a former Army captain and long-time diversity advocate for the military, have tweeted the raised-fist photo?
“I would not have re-tweeted the raised-fist photo because I am well aware that our culture views a black fist very differently from a white fist,” she said. “I knew it was their expression of pride and unity, but I am old enough to know that it would be interpreted negatively by many white observers. Unfortunately, in their youth and exuberance, it appears they didn’t stop to think that it might have any political context, or any meaning other than their own feeling of triumph.”