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Look, its a common suggestion that the common welfare means welfare state.....
ok well I thought you might like to know the name of this thread.... "OKAY. I'm going with Jill Stein if I can't go with Bernie"
originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: ThirdEyeofHorus
Look, its a common suggestion that the common welfare means welfare state.....
No, it's not.
Refer to the constitution. Don't see anything about a welfare state.
You made that up.
ok well I thought you might like to know the nam.0e of this thread.... "OKAY. I'm going with Jill Stein if I can't go with Bernie"
So that gives you a reason to assume I agree with her?
I've done nothing of the sort. By definition, those things are socialist in nature. To deny that, according to the definition, is delusional...or biased.
I have heard that tired old argument about the common welfare of the people in that clause to mean that our Founding Fathers fully intended to have a socialist welfare state.
You seemed to indicate that is what you believed when you posted that it was socialist to raise taxes to pay for roads and that it was also in the Constitution.
That was not their intention at all but people keep trying to make that argument nevertheless.
You seemed to indicate that is what you believed when you posted that it was socialist to raise taxes to pay for roads and that it was also in the Constitution. Did you not insinuate so? I mean isn't that what you meant when you said this....
So you don't agree with her?
originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: DBCowboy
If you honestly think that socialism or democratic socialism will only affect 5 people, then you are misguided.
True. Socialism is the basic principle behind the military, police, fire fighters, public roadways, etc. We all benefit from it.
I fail to see how that is wrong. Well, unless you hate all those things.
You don't hate those things, do you?
originally posted by: introvert
originally posted by: Teikiatsu
originally posted by: introvert
Exactly. They are goods paid for by the collective wealth of the nation.
Socialism...you're welcome.
No, you are deluded. You are mistaken. You are trying to take reality hostage and change the argument.
You are wrong.
I've done nothing of the sort. By definition, those things are socialist in nature. To deny that, according to the definition, is delusional...or biased.
Perhaps you are unprepared to admit that the very things you may love, are socialist.
Military is not a private service. It is a federal and state responsibility. Law enforcement is not a private service. It is a federal, state and local responsibility.
I seem to recall, how liberals scream and cry about how evil the police are in killing minorities. I seem to recall, how liberals scream and cry about how the military murders with impunity innocent men, women, and children all around the globe. If these are the examples of socialism, and liberals are vehemently opposed to socialist organizations such as police and military; wouldn't it be logical to also oppose socialism in all other aspects?
On the military - Nations are moving to PRIVATE military contractors, because socialism is SO GREAT!!! Hahaha! This is the final nail in the coffin for the socialist argument. It does not work, and reality proves it; military cut-backs and moving to Private military. Wow.
the only way to build their socialist utopia is upon the ASHES OF THE OLD REPUBLIC. MILLIONS WILL DIE, socialism is a clear and present danger
NOTE: The military gets their gear from PRIVATE COMPANIES through government contracts. That IS NOT SOCIALISM, that is FASCISM.
Suggestion: Learn about the subject, before 'teaching' me on the subject.
Do you just post things without actually knowing or even bothering to do just a tiny bit of research?
By 1977, the organization was defunct.
The only thing you have any accuracy on is 'crony capitalism', which is a synonym of fascism.
Fascism opposes liberalism, Marxism and anarchism and is usually placed on the far-right within the traditional left–right spectrum
originally posted by: GodEmperor
a reply to: introvert
Oh right.
So, according to you:
The military and police are socialist.
The military and police kill people, ie use of force with violence.
Therefore, socialism is violent.
You just got schooled.