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OKAY. I'm going with Jill Stein if I can't go with Bernie

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posted on May, 12 2016 @ 01:53 AM
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Pretty much. I've said from the start that it's Bernie>>>>>>>>>>>Rand Paul (probably)>Trump>Everyone Else>Hillary>Cruz.

If the berning fires start to smolder,then it's #TrumpForPresident time. If you're someone who'd typically be considered independent or Democrat then go for Jill Stein. Depriving Clinton of votes to allow Trump to overtake her while supporting a good, third party candidate is the correct decision.

The main reason you're in this mess in the first place though is because the United States' election system is fundamentally broken.




posted on May, 12 2016 @ 01:59 AM
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Ah, and to all the people whining about socialism and freedom and blah blah blah: You know what I see today when I look at the people of the capitalist countries of the modern world? I see slaves in all but name. It wasn't socialism that made things this way. Socialism slowed it, prevented it. Absolute Socialism is awful, of course it is, but you know, Absolute Capitalism is just as bad. Perhaps worse, for it mocks you with false freedom.

Your country was built with slaves, and on their backs it still rests its grotesque and obese form.
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posted on May, 12 2016 @ 05:45 AM
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a reply to: BuzzyWigs

If everyone who said voting for a third-party candidate was a "wasted vote" or a "vote for the other guy" would actually vote third-party, the status quo could be changed in a single election cycle.

In fairness, back when the "Republican Reform Party" was nothing more than a "wasted third party vote" it did take them two election cycles to actually win the presidency.



posted on May, 12 2016 @ 06:39 AM
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originally posted by: GodEmperor
Completely and utterly false. WWII is what pulled America out of the depression, the Golden Age was in the 50's after victory. I would suggest YOU spend some time learning history.


WWII helped too. I won't deny that, but your view of history is still a bit warped. The Great Depression WAS recovering before we entered the war. The war effort just gave it a shot in the arm (lol that's an old drug cliche). And in the 50's the Socialist policies from the 30's were STILL on the books and still effective. Along with that progressive tax plan I was talking about.


As for the trickle down economics, After WWII, the US imported many Nazi scientists to gain control of their technology; the downside is we also imported their ideology which has slowly been infecting America to this day. National Socialism.


Swing and a miss. Socialism has existed as a political ideology in this country longer than the 40's. Plus Just because the word "Socialism" is in the name National Socialist Party doesn't necessarily mean they are Socialist. Do you consider the Democratic Republic of the Congo a Democracy OR a Republic? Because I don't.

But I don't see what any of what you just said had to do with trickle down economics. Are you blaming that idiocy on the Nazis? Because those idiots make up your Republican party right now.



posted on May, 12 2016 @ 07:23 AM
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a reply to: Krazysh0t

Wait, is that guy calling Reagan a Nazi?

Oh, and here's a nice little image of exactly how trickle-down economics works and is intended to work.



posted on May, 12 2016 @ 07:26 AM
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I really don't understand why people are fine with the rich amassing such obscene wealth. The nature of capitalism is supposed to be cyclical, everything's supposed to keep moving. It's not a straight line pointing up. People like the Waltons and Kochs are actually anti-capitalist as far as I'm concerned.

Ah, and the way things are set up is ridiculous to begin with. The resistance towards accumulating more should be stronger and stronger as more and more is obtained, but it's actually the opposite of that. If you have a lot of money, it's really easy to make a lot and maintain. If you don't have anything, it's next to impossible to even get started. America is a truck and the people are the engine, and right now they're trying to take off with it set in the highest gear.
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posted on May, 12 2016 @ 07:27 AM
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okay.........whoever that is.......she wont win that's for sure



posted on May, 12 2016 @ 07:34 AM
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originally posted by: deadlyhope
a reply to: DBCowboy



If not, you need to update your outdated definition of socialism


I used he definition for democratic socialism, and looked up the definition of socialism as well.

But you are the second person, now, to tell me that "my definition is wrong".

Bull.

Own it. You want socialism, then own up to it.



posted on May, 12 2016 @ 07:36 AM
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a reply to: DBCowboy

Personally, I don't want Socialism, I want an alternative to our current "Capitalism", which is awful and an utter failure. It has consolidated massive amounts of power and influence into the hands of the very, very few, while leaving the vast majority to ruin and despair. That. Is. Not. A. Good. System.



posted on May, 12 2016 @ 08:04 AM
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a reply to: Eilasvaleleyn

You're right. It is a terrible system, but it is currently the best one on the planet.

Come up with a better one? sounds great.



posted on May, 12 2016 @ 08:14 AM
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a reply to: DBCowboy

Better systems are easily possible, the only issue is with people. Humans ruin everything. Although to be truthful, every system is basically perfect in theory, all the "isms" are great until you put power-hungry assholes into the equation.



posted on May, 12 2016 @ 08:14 AM
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originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: Eilasvaleleyn

You're right. It is a terrible system, but it is currently the best one on the planet.

Come up with a better one? sounds great.


A mix of socialism and capitalism is probably the best system (which is what Bernie advocates). There is no rule book anywhere that says you have to have all of one or the other.



posted on May, 12 2016 @ 08:17 AM
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a reply to: kaylaluv

We've been "doing" a mix of socialism and capitalism in the US for a century now.

And it's only made things worse.

imho



posted on May, 12 2016 @ 08:18 AM
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originally posted by: Eilasvaleleyn
a reply to: DBCowboy

Better systems are easily possible, the only issue is with people. Humans ruin everything. Although to be truthful, every system is basically perfect in theory, all the "isms" are great until you put power-hungry assholes into the equation.


People will always screw up a perfect system because a perfect system requires perfect people.

Get rid of people and any system would be ideal.



posted on May, 12 2016 @ 08:18 AM
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a reply to: DBCowboy

The reason it's made things worse is because some time after WWII the arrow pointing where the money would be directed got flipped. Rather than going down to the majority of people, it's all being sucked up by a small few.

The Socialistic aspects in the US are such an abhorrent failure because the motto is "socialize the losses, privatize the gains."



posted on May, 12 2016 @ 08:20 AM
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a reply to: DBCowboy

Right, so the only way to try something out is to put it into practice. Total socialism and total communism don't work, we know that from Russia. Total capitalism doesn't work, we know that from what's happened to America.



posted on May, 12 2016 @ 08:20 AM
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a reply to: Eilasvaleleyn

Socialism is government control.

It is government mandating that we "share". And government gets to determine who gets what.



posted on May, 12 2016 @ 08:24 AM
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a reply to: DBCowboy

There's always going to be an entity of control. Money attracts money, power attracts power. It's inevitable, unless you have some sort of outside force holding things apart... In which case, who watches the watcher?



posted on May, 12 2016 @ 08:25 AM
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originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: kaylaluv

We've been "doing" a mix of socialism and capitalism in the US for a century now.

And it's only made things worse.

imho


No, it's when we deregulate the capitalist system that we see so much corruption. The free market should be allowed to be free, up to a point.



posted on May, 12 2016 @ 08:26 AM
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a reply to: kaylaluv

Deregulation of the capitalist system isn't a cause of the corruption, it's a result of the corruption.

Aside from that, you're correct. One of the most irritating things for me is that bailouts of corporations and banks is "okay". Wellfare is bad! They shout, (but only for humans) they whisper.
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