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originally posted by: muse7
It's amazing how many "progressives" are willing to cut off their nose to spite their face
I know I'll get flanked from both sides but it needs to be said
We have too many moon bats here that would hand Trump the Presidency
At least Hillary is for a 12 dollar minimum wage, she supports Obama care and an expanded Medicaid, she opposes voter ID laws and voter suppression, she wouldn't ban a whole religion from entering the US and would welcome Syrian refugees and she wouldn't appoint supreme Court justices that would happily over turn Roe v Wade
It just means that "everyone gets to eat, have a roof over their heads, have an education, and have medical treatment."
How can you be against those things? HOW can you be anti-healthcare, anti-housing, anti-nourishment,
Seriously, again: how do you sleep at night....?
I want you to know, I am not the enemy.
Trump and Hillary are the faces of the same corporatist state.
erm, yes, we do.
We do not live under a capitalist system,
corporate protectionism is a hallmark of fascism.
We are not moving towards a socialist system,
under socialism everyone is required to work and produce, if you don't work you don't eat; there are no hand outs under socialism.
originally posted by: introvert
I can understand how you feel. It would be nice if the Left was unified at a time in which the Right is fumbling about, but I'm glad to see my fellow Leftists disagree with one another. It means that we are free-thinking individuals that do not follow the party line and propaganda.
We follow our hearts and minds, not the beat of the drum like the extreme Right Wing.
Republicans are about to tear each other apart from within and you want people to believe that they're all a bunch of brainwashed drones peddling the same unified bulls#?
originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
a reply to: GodEmperor
So impressive, your research and links!
Nevertheless, you are mistaken.
Democratic Socialism is NOT the same "Marxism" or "Leninism" or "Communism" that you keep trying to present as equivalent.
It just isn't.
When you have looked all of it up, and can present a neutral post regarding the positives and negatives of each side, then -
and only then - you can school us.
Until you are ready, this remains a topic about which you appear to be poorly prepared to argue.
The Fabian Society is a British socialist organisation whose purpose is to advance the principles of democratic socialism via gradualist and reformist effort in democracies, rather than by revolutionary overthrow.
originally posted by: SevenThunders
You might want to just move to Venezuela and get your socialism now, because that is our future under any form of socialism Bernie and Jill and Hillary have in mind. Enjoy those 2 mile long food lines and toilet paper shortages.
originally posted by: Kali74
a reply to: muse7
Actually I'm writing in Bernie. I refuse the lesser of two evils, we all should. Besides Bernie beats Trump in the general by huge margins, Hillary loses or is close to even. That has been consistently shown since early on, why did the DNC keep pushing Hillary? Why hasn't Hillary unified the party and dropped out. I won't reward corruption and I won't vote for Hillary just to save the asses of the people too stupid to vote for Bernie.