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Indian navy indigenous 3,0000 million rupee aircraft carrier on way

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posted on Apr, 10 2005 @ 12:04 PM
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another artist's impression :



General Features

The ship has a length of 252 m, breadth of 58 m, draft of 8.4 m, depth of 25.6 m and a deep displacement of 37,500 tonnes. The ship will be propelled by four GE LM2500 Gas Turbines same as the Type 17, generating a total power of 80 MW (1,20,000 HP approx.) thereby enabling the ship to do a maximum speed of 28 knots. The ship will have an endurance of 7,500 NM at 18 knots and the logistics endurance of 45 days. The ship will have a complement of 1560 i.e. 1400 sailors and 160 officers. It can carry a maximum of 30 aircrafts and 17 of these can be accommodated in the hangar. The air operations can take place up to sea state 5. The ship will have two runways, one with ski jump and a landing strip with 3 arrester wires.

Design

Design of this prestigious ship is being undertaken by the Navy’s own Design Bureau at Kailash Colony in New Delhi under Cmde MK Badhwar and Cdr Kushawa as the main elements besides their strong team. The preliminary design has already been completed and the work related to detailed design is in hand. Production drawings for approximately 5000 tonnes of steel work are already available in the yard. The ship will be built using IHOP (Integrated Hull Outfit and Painting) method and modular construction for which GODREJ, STACO of Korea and a firm from Dubai are in competition. The ship will be constructed using high strength ABA grade steel developed in house between DRDO and SAIL. About 456 tonnes of steel has already been received in the yard from Russia and Bhillai. The ADS will require about 20,000 tonnes of steel.

Contracts

Leading Italian ship design and construction yard M/s Fincantieri has been selected by CSL to assist them in integrating the main propulsion system, making the main engine room layouts and for preparation of the Build Specifications for the ship. The inputs in respect of MiG-29 K will be provided by the Russians who will also assist in the associated design work for aviation facilities such as Flight Deck, Hangar, Aircrafts Lifts, Ammunition Lifts, Aircraft Launch & Recovery systems etc.

Major Project Milestones

The steel cutting of ADS is scheduled to begin on 11 Apr 05 and the Hon’ble Raksha Mantri will be the chief guest for the ceremony. The keel of the ship is to be laid in Oct 07 with lowering of pre-outfitted engine room blocks into the Building Dock at CSL. The ship after construction and trials is scheduled for delivery in 2012.




posted on Apr, 10 2005 @ 06:22 PM
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Curious about how a MIG 29K is launched off a aircraft carrier of this type and also how it is recovered??? Does the MIG 29K series of aircraft even have a heavy enough airframe for this type of service ....long term.???
Do you guys have any Idea how much G force is exerted on a airframe ..wiring etc etc in take off and landing on a carrier??
Not sure if the Indian Navy is using catapults on this carrier or future carrier design.?? Do you guys know???
I know that long term...catapult launchs and arresting hook recoverys on our carrier planes in the US Navy shortens the life of the planes without careful overhauls and inspections. Once in a while..US Navy planes seem to have a rash of ...just all of a sudden falling out of the skys ...I suspect due to alot of this heavy snatching off and on the carrier decks.
I know that the US Navy is very particular about its Aircraft specifications for carrier usage..and most planes in the US Air Force inventory will not be satisfactory for Carrier usage for the above stated reasons. The rare exception being the olde F4 Phantoms. They were heavily constructed sufficiently that both the Navy and the Air Force bought them. A rare exception.
Any information on the Indian carrier launch system ..if it is catapult or not and also the arresting gear would be helpful..thanks Orangetom



posted on Apr, 11 2005 @ 05:03 AM
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Yeah even I'd like to know what the stopping mechanism is..
Because somebody said something in the carrier thread about the russians incapable of building a catapult system..



posted on Apr, 11 2005 @ 06:41 AM
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Interesting. What sort of defense systems and ships will the Indians be using for there CBG ? There is plenty of talk about the vulnerability of US carriers to ASM's, surely the Indian carrier would be far more vulnerable.

PS. Intersting aside. About 2 years ago the Australian governemnt put in an official protest to the Indians about IN exercises off Australia's west coast.



posted on Apr, 11 2005 @ 07:11 AM
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Originally posted by rogue1
Interesting. What sort of defense systems and ships will the Indians be using for there CBG ? There is plenty of talk about the vulnerability of US carriers to ASM's, surely the Indian carrier would be far more vulnerable.

PS. Intersting aside. About 2 years ago the Australian governemnt put in an official protest to the Indians about IN exercises off Australia's west coast.


nothing is safe in this world remeber 9/11 dont talk like kid.
ship is there and it must be protected with up to indian level[maxmium India can do]

ads may be fitted with barak-II under developmeant in india with assintant from Israel possi. with trishul too, aster is also in contention
[just my thought]

about Australia plz post link about that



posted on Apr, 11 2005 @ 07:31 AM
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Yeah, it seems strange to me that India is building a carrier before destroyers and escort vessels? I could be wrong, is India actively building a fleet-defense destroyer?

The major reason why the people in the anti-Carrier lobby in China won out is because they argued that in the event of war, the U.S. would demolish China's single carrier in half an hour.

I do not think that's a exaggeration.



posted on Apr, 11 2005 @ 09:46 AM
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Originally posted by rapier28
Yeah, it seems strange to me that India is building a carrier before destroyers and escort vessels? I could be wrong, is India actively building a fleet-defense destroyer?

The major reason why the people in the anti-Carrier lobby in China won out is because they argued that in the event of war, the U.S. would demolish China's single carrier in half an hour.

I do not think that's a exaggeration.


I australia is really worried about ADS

do your home work here
read this
www.naval-technology.com...

need more ?
dont think
india didnot need a big destroyer like USA. india is slowly but surely is on right path



posted on Apr, 11 2005 @ 11:37 AM
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I wonder if india will take the F/a-18 super hornets too for aircraft carriers. ??

how much do they cost ??



posted on Apr, 11 2005 @ 02:17 PM
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I hope the U.S. doesn't sell them the F/A-18 because its going to be our main carrier jet until the F-35 comes out.(Damn bastards taking out the F-14). And if they do sell it to them it better be older versions from the 80’s.

Also mirza2003 your link doesn't work. And The F/A-18 costs are about 45mil for the Hornet and 65Mil for the Super Hornet.


[edit on 11-4-2005 by WestPoint23]



posted on Apr, 11 2005 @ 05:36 PM
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As I recall one of the draw backs to the hornet class of airplanes is that they didnt quite have the range that the Navy required. Some of this fault was rectified by the Super Hornets. Probably more powerful and effecient engines as I understand this field has really taken off in the engine industry. The F14 series of airplanes are into the end of thier service life.The airframes are just worn out ..as happens with alot of equipment. More overhaul past a certain point becomes useless when contrasted with costs. Furthermore the F14 takes up alot of space on deck as it is a large aircraft.
With the advent of computer designs they are taking the CVNX designs and the size parameters of the current planes, crunching all the data ...minus the F14 to figure out how to put more planes on the carriers. Hence the switch to the F18 series of aircraft. This is a natural evolution in design , and purpose, verses economics. Orangetom



posted on Apr, 11 2005 @ 05:53 PM
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keep a eye on India and China in the years to come. Both are up and coming nations and both think they are due some respect. The question which arises is how far are they willing to go to get it.??
Americas relationship with Austraulia has taken a diffrent turn with the down sizing and removal of many of our bases in the orient. Much of our intelligence gathering ability has been moved to Austraulia. We only see..locally .. the rise in importance of the Aussies in resteraunts, movies and tv programs as a tell tale of Austraulian status today. The two remaining bases of importance in this region are those in Austraulia and on Diego Garcia. From these sites we monitor much of what is happening in Asia. I suspect the maturing of satellite technology has reduced the need for so many bases in the Orient.
Keep a eye on India and China too...large loans have been made to both countries over the years to improve thier industrialization. This must be true otherwise they could not afford such modernization both in civilian and military arenas.
GeoPolitical strategy in history dictates how one repossesses a nation which renegs on loans. The repo man... If the nation is to large to directly invade the nation is broken up by crisis into a civil war and it fights itself to death. Or ...one arms its neighbor of sufficient size and strength to fight it to death while one sits back and supplies arms and know how to whoever one wants to be winning at the current time ..as needed.
Suggest a small very well written book with lots of information on this topic for its size...titled "The Empire of the City " by E. C. Knuth.
Keep a eye on China and India ..in the future. Orangetom



posted on Apr, 12 2005 @ 04:37 AM
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i think some problam while posting it here is new one.
delhi class

about f-18 i think it is 80s tech with lots of upgrade

and cost too much with large size.
india need most modern aircraft with india is familar like migs or mirage.

in my opnion gripen has no chance becuse it has total diffrent work culture and india need new maintance facilty and enginers which could increase cost.

same fate has f-18 .



posted on Apr, 12 2005 @ 09:33 AM
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Yes as mirza pointed out, India has alread successfully built many destroyers and the next logical step would be a carrier...
India has operated carriers for about 25 years now and its pro carrier lobby feels that the Indian ocean (all of it) comes under India's naval influence..
By 2015 IN will operate two carriers in the Indian ocean thus equalling the USN strike force capability in that region..

The chinese carrier dilemma can be argued both ways...
If they don't plan to have a carrier then the only naval defense/attack strategy they can have is a hit-n-run one using their new stealthy DDGs..
It won't work against carriers, they come well protected; and hence the only reason they seem to be stacking up on those DDGs is for defence purposes, and not for force projection..

West point the US have already offered the superhornet, its just upto the indians to take it or not, IMHO they won't...



posted on Apr, 12 2005 @ 09:34 AM
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Yes as mirza pointed out, India has alread successfully built many destroyers and the next logical step would be a carrier...
India has operated carriers for about 25 years now and its pro carrier lobby feels that the Indian ocean (all of it) comes under India's naval influence..
By 2015 IN will operate two carriers in the Indian ocean thus equalling the USN strike force capability in that region..

The chinese carrier dilemma can be argued both ways...
If they don't plan to have a carrier then the only naval defense/attack strategy they can have is a hit-n-run one using their new stealthy DDGs..
It won't work against carriers, they come well protected; and hence the only reason they seem to be stacking up on those DDGs is for defence purposes, and not for force projection..

West point the US have already offered the superhornet, its just upto the indians to take it or not, IMHO they won't...



posted on Apr, 12 2005 @ 12:43 PM
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Hmmmm!!!! are carriers defensive or offensive weapons platforms????



posted on Apr, 12 2005 @ 12:52 PM
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OFFENSIVE!!!
power projection...



posted on Apr, 12 2005 @ 05:00 PM
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West point the US have already offered the superhornet, its just upto the indians to take it or not, IMHO they won't...


Well we offer a lot of peoples jets but when they actually order them we take years to deliver.



posted on Apr, 13 2005 @ 09:33 AM
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^^ For e.g:
Skip the Paksitan example because that got screwed only because of the Pressler amendment..



posted on Apr, 14 2005 @ 03:54 AM
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Originally posted by orangetom1999
Curious about how a MIG 29K is launched off a aircraft carrier of this type and also how it is recovered??? Does the MIG 29K series of aircraft even have a heavy enough airframe for this type of service ....long term.???

In both the ADS and Vikramaditya, the 29K would be launched off the ski jump along the length of the beam of the ship, and would be recovered by arrestor wire in the second runway that runs on an angle to the beam.

Not sure if the Indian Navy is using catapults on this carrier or future carrier design.?? Do you guys know???

The IN isn't using catapults for the design up to the ADS. A third carrier is planned to begin construction before 2015 as per IN's future naval doctrine (plans are for a 3 carrier battle groups by 2025), and this is planned to be larger than both the ADS and Vikramaditya. A larger a/c carrier would see catapults if rumors are to be believed. In fact, lack of cats will probably prevent the purchase of Hawkeyes from America.

The IN operated cats on both the Vikrant and the Viraat before the SHAR was inducted. They were then modified to ski-jump.


Rapier,
By the time ADS is inducted, IN will have inducted some 20 additional advanced guided missle destroyers, frigs and corvettes. Remember now, until the recent decomissioning of the Vikrant, the IN operated 2 carriers and had an escort force accordingly. The IN fleet expansion is in addition to the current force levels, which are deemed adequate.



And America doesnt have to worry about IN expansion. In fact, we're counting on it. The rapidly growing India-US friendship has been most materially evidently shown --despite it being perhaps the most low-key-- by naval cooperation. The IN routinely escorts USN and American vessels (as well as ASEAN, Australian and Japanese) from the Malaccas to the ME. The integration of doctrine is increasing with each passing year, as evidenced in the Tsunami relief.

-Raj



posted on Apr, 22 2005 @ 12:47 PM
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here is the official govenment of india press release from the official indian govt website conforming that the ADS has been given a "go ahead".

pib.nic.in...



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