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originally posted by: IAMNOTYOU
If your a christian, you will most likely burn in hell anyways, unless your a saint off course
originally posted by: Joecanada11
a reply to: LABTECH767
Interesting that you recongbize the Qur'an promotes rape and slavery but conveniently forget the passages of your own book of worship that does the same.
Or bring up Islam's wars while conviently leaving out the crusades and witch burnings of the Christian faith.
Christianities hands are not clean at all. You can't bring up one religions transgressions and forget about your own as if they never happened.
originally posted by: Joecanada11
a reply to: Raggedyman
So you say the law isn't relevant however that was Paul that made such statements. But the one you call god in the flesh never said he came to abolish the law nor did he say that his followers were not to follow the law.
There is no logic in taking the words of a man who never met Jesus over what your so called god himself stated. It's a cop out. I don't blame you I don't follow the Jewish laws either. However I also don't believe the laws were given by god. The same god that you say Jesus became in the flesh.
There is no justification for those laws. And painting all Muslims as evil because of the Qur'an and leaving out biblical laws and events of the same magnitude is dishonest. You still worship a violent being no matter what mental gymnastics you use for justification.
originally posted by: EveryUsernameWasTaken
I have personal experiences with Islam which have indicated I am in really trouble for my beliefs. I believe a core value we should embrace is love for each other (subtext: respect, patience, tolerance, charity and humility). I learned this from my Chrsitian beliefs. Although I fail on a daily basis, I try hard to remember these things in my daily life. Do Muslims truly believe I am destined for hell?
originally posted by: Joecanada11
a reply to: Raggedyman
Also what kind of a just being orders entire tribes including children to be slaughtered.
Does a just human think it's okay to rape an unwed woman as long as you pay her father? No they don't but the god you worship did.
originally posted by: Joecanada11
a reply to: Raggedyman
I have plenty of clues. Show me one passage where the one you call God in the flesh stated the laws need not be followed?
“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished. Therefore whoever relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever does them and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven” (Matt 5:17-19)
There you go. From your own saviors mouth (allegedly) he states that the laws and the prophets teachings shall not be relaxed. Therefore not observing the Sabbath is sin. Eating shellfish is still a sin. Mixing fibers is still a sin.
And finally what did Paul teach. He taught that man is no longer under the laws but the spirit which is in direct conflict with what Christ stated.
originally posted by: Raggedyman
originally posted by: IAMNOTYOU
If your a christian, you will most likely burn in hell anyways, unless your a saint off course
If you are a Christian and think of yourself a saint, a person who is good and righteous, if you take the word Saint and apply it to yourself as a title of honor
Then you are more likely to have no comprehension of Christianity.
Christ called the sinner not those who think themselves righteous
Christ called the unworthy
Christ called the sick and Ill
A true Christian knows they are not saints, just forgiven sinners
originally posted by: IAMNOTYOU
originally posted by: Raggedyman
originally posted by: IAMNOTYOU
If your a christian, you will most likely burn in hell anyways, unless your a saint off course
If you are a Christian and think of yourself a saint, a person who is good and righteous, if you take the word Saint and apply it to yourself as a title of honor
Then you are more likely to have no comprehension of Christianity.
Christ called the sinner not those who think themselves righteous
Christ called the unworthy
Christ called the sick and Ill
A true Christian knows they are not saints, just forgiven sinners
ok that makes sense and was also part of my point - that we are (most likely) all sinners, in some kind of way
But we are forgiven sinners, so what does it take to go to hell then?
Is it the act of doing something wrong/a sin, even when you know it is the wrong thing to do?
I personally think it has something to do with forgivnes
If we learn to forgive All, ourself included, we would able to create paradise, right here on earth
And vice versa, if we cant forgive, and harbor hate for all the terrible things that has happen on this earth, or just in our own personally life, we cant live in peace, we will have wars etc, and thats what some would consider to be hell
Jesus forgave us all, to show us the way to paradise (well, also because its the right thing to do)
I got nothing against organised religion, i just believe a priest should be a teacher, not a preacher
I believe we can learn from all religions, science included, and the most importen thing i have learned so far, is that one word from Jesus, forgivness
originally posted by: Raggedyman
originally posted by: IAMNOTYOU
originally posted by: Raggedyman
originally posted by: IAMNOTYOU
If your a christian, you will most likely burn in hell anyways, unless your a saint off course
If you are a Christian and think of yourself a saint, a person who is good and righteous, if you take the word Saint and apply it to yourself as a title of honor
Then you are more likely to have no comprehension of Christianity.
Christ called the sinner not those who think themselves righteous
Christ called the unworthy
Christ called the sick and Ill
A true Christian knows they are not saints, just forgiven sinners
ok that makes sense and was also part of my point - that we are (most likely) all sinners, in some kind of way
But we are forgiven sinners, so what does it take to go to hell then?
Is it the act of doing something wrong/a sin, even when you know it is the wrong thing to do?
I personally think it has something to do with forgivnes
If we learn to forgive All, ourself included, we would able to create paradise, right here on earth
And vice versa, if we cant forgive, and harbor hate for all the terrible things that has happen on this earth, or just in our own personally life, we cant live in peace, we will have wars etc, and thats what some would consider to be hell
Jesus forgave us all, to show us the way to paradise (well, also because its the right thing to do)
I got nothing against organised religion, i just believe a priest should be a teacher, not a preacher
I believe we can learn from all religions, science included, and the most importen thing i have learned so far, is that one word from Jesus, forgivness
Well according to scripture we are only forgiven if we repent and stop sinning, or at least try really hard
Personally I hate religion, love Christ