Trump changes tune on tax hikes for wealthy Americans

originally posted by: RomeByFire

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: Kali74
a reply to: UKTruth

I'm sure.

Then it must be that you have a lack of understanding about how your government works.
Can you explain how any person running for President, or indeed the President, can make concrete promises about what will be implemented when they are in office?

You have bat # crazy logic.

It is a posters "projection," when they are skeptical regarding a candidate for POTUS's rhetoric and empty promises?

Also - that's a loaded question. Fallacious argument, and bat # crazy logic. Nice.

So it's all good for politicians and the likes to make concrete promises and never intend to fulfill them - and if someone says anything about, they're projecting?

Woooooooow. I'll remind myself to avoid your posts from here on out. Have a blessed day.

No candidate makes concrete promises on what will happen when they take office. If you believe they do, then it's your problem. You need to learn about how your govt. works. Do that, and then learn to read candidates platform proposals the correct way. You might then be less disappointed in outcomes.

I find it amazing how many Americans have little clue how their system actually works.
Feel free to ignore my posts - I understand that actually learning how things work can be time consuming and challenging

originally posted by: Rocker2013
a reply to: Kali74

Just as predicted, he got to where he is now by just preaching the most obvious bs and pandering to the truly ignorant - just as he said he would do. Remember, this man openly stated that he would run as a Republican because they would be the easiest to manipulate with right-wing nonsense.

He's manipulated them, and now he's going to spend the rest of his time attempting to woo the undecided.

Either way, even if it was all just a ploy and he's really not planning to do any of the bizarre things he said he wanted to do just to get the support of the most ignorant Conservatives, having him as POTUS would still do massive damage to the US.

There is some truth in this. The truly ignorant would indeed view Trump's tax plan as a concrete set of directives that would be implemented if he wins the presidency. Those with some level of understanding would have taken the plans for what they were - a proposal that needed to be worked on and agreed by the legislative branch. Maybe its too many years of Obama and Bush that have made Americans more ignorant to the role of the President.

It's hard to understand why so many believe that those workers helping the rich get richer by the day should live in poverty or it's edge.

originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: Aazadan

It depends. In previous times, not all that long ago actually, governments used to impose fair wage and price laws which let governments dictate prices.

But not wages. Corporations already consider it more lucrative to move overseas for lower wages. Raising them here can only further that.

Hey, maybe they are promoting that. So sorry employees, we just have to shut down and move to Asia, you guys want too much money to work for us here.

They would fix wages too, but most people in those times were paid piecemeal so it was per item produced.

The issue with overseas wages really isn't that hard to fix even without tarrifs. Simply tell companies that they must produce x% of what they want to sell in the US, in the US, otherwise we won't give them access to our markets.

I don't understand how anyone could take this babbling idiot seriously.

I am beginning to think he is just playing around to see if he can get himself elected to muse about how stupid so many people in this country actually are.

Is there anyone else out there who realizes that business and politics are actually almost exactly the same thing?.

Is there anyone else out there who realizes that he won't change anything that will make it harder for people like himself to get rich by exploiting others unfairly?.

Too few I fear....

a reply to: UKTruth

I have mo difficulty. It's you whom seems to not understand how Conservative politics work in the US. Conservatives simply do not raise taxes on the wealthy nor do they talk about it... ever.

originally posted by: Kali74
a reply to: UKTruth

I have mo difficulty. It's you whom seems to not understand how Conservative politics work in the US. Conservatives simply do not raise taxes on the wealthy nor do they talk about it... ever.

Oh, so you are on to a different debate now?
Which is it, that Trump has broken a promise or that he is not very conservative?

The first charge is false of course because he never made a promise, the second I would tend to agree with. He has some conservative principles but is more liberal on other issues. Quite balanced.

For the record, here is what Trump has said:

I am lowering taxes far more than any other candidate. Any negotiated increase by Congress to my proposal would still be lower than current!

Like I said, he hasn't really changed his tune at all - he's just pragmatic and honest enough to admit he will have to negotiate with Congress to pass his tax reform. I am assuming every conservative is happy that he understands the value of the 3 branches of govt.

a reply to: UKTruth

You seem awfully determined to make one of us out to be a fool.

My thread began with the title of the article, which I happen to think is accurate. I then asked what Conservatives thought about it... specifically because they tend to flip over taxes let alone raising taxes, it's something they attribute to filthy socialists. Would they see it as necessary or would Trump flip-flop again.

Where has my debate changed, where did I say he had made or broken a promise? Though, FYI, proposed policies made during a campaign are generally regarded as promises. He stated he was going to lower taxes starting at the top... now he says the top will end up paying more. We regard that as flip-flopping and changing one's tune here.

originally posted by: Kali74
a reply to: UKTruth

You seem awfully determined to make one of us out to be a fool.

My thread began with the title of the article, which I happen to think is accurate. I then asked what Conservatives thought about it... specifically because they tend to flip over taxes let alone raising taxes, it's something they attribute to filthy socialists. Would they see it as necessary or would Trump flip-flop again.

Where has my debate changed, where did I say he had made or broken a promise? Though, FYI, proposed policies made during a campaign are generally regarded as promises. He stated he was going to lower taxes starting at the top... now he says the top will end up paying more. We regard that as flip-flopping and changing one's tune here.

He has said that the rich could end up paying more than his proposal.
As I already said, those that regard campaign proposals as promises do not understand the process.
He has not changed his tune as your thread title states.
I don't think you are a fool, but i do think you jumped too quickly on a story that has been misrepresented in the media.

a reply to: UKTruth

And again you don't seem to understand American Conservatives... raising taxes on the wealthy even as a maybe is something you just don't say.

originally posted by: Kali74
a reply to: UKTruth

And again you don't seem to understand American Conservatives... raising taxes on the wealthy even as a maybe is something you just don't say.

...and he didn't say it (even as a maybe), so it's all good then.
So conservatives happy that it's tax cuts for all, even if they might not be as deep as his proposal AND the extra benefit of knowing Trump would honor the constitutional process. All in all a pretty good message for American conservatives... in fact all Americans.

a reply to: UKTruth

Trump did say it...

ETA: Did you watch the video?

a reply to: Kali74

"I am willing to pay more, and you know what, the wealthy are willing to pay more," Trump told ABC's "This Week."

Does he mean those same wealthy people that horde tax havens and shell corporations like they're a fashion accessory ?




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Yeah.... okay Donnie boy.

a reply to: CranialSponge

I know... lol

originally posted by: Kali74
a reply to: UKTruth

Trump did say it...

ETA: Did you watch the video?

Yes I have watched all the interviews and read the reports.
I can only assume you have not.

He has not said he is going to increase taxes on the rich, or anyone else. He has said they could be higher than his proposal.
It's really quite straightforward to comprehend.

a reply to: UKTruth

With a majority Republican Congress, which we have, he would be able to push through his Tax Plan easily. So why say anything about taxes on the wealthy going up? Further a Conservative just wouldn't do it, period... it's been a non-negotiable point since American Conservatism.

originally posted by: Kali74
a reply to: UKTruth

With a majority Republican Congress, which we have, he would be able to push through his Tax Plan easily. So why say anything about taxes on the wealthy going up? Further a Conservative just wouldn't do it, period... it's been a non-negotiable point since American Conservatism.

It's already been explained countless times, including clarified by Trump himself. He is talking about higher taxes compared to his proposal, so you have a non story.
As for the Republican majority, it's not done much good so far and I am pretty certain Trump would expect some dissenters within the Republican party. It would be pretty stupid to expect all Republicans to do what they are told. Your point is like saying NONE of Hillary's proposals will pass if she is elected. After all the Republicans have a majority.

Your point is like saying NONE of Hillary's proposals will pass if she is elected.

Dear God let it be so. Let it be so.

a reply to: UKTruth

Get out of the round a bout already.

originally posted by: Kali74
a reply to: UKTruth

Get out of the round a bout already.

Why, so you can continue to pretend Trump said something he didn't?
How difficult for you is it to understand that Trump said he might have to raise taxes above the level of his plans, but would still be lower than today? Are you entrenched because your thread is inaccurate?