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originally posted by: Krakatoa
Barb Moles shot and killed a home intruder who beat her husband with a crowbar and stabbed him with a knife. She now tells a local televison station she is “not just the typical granny.” “You know, never in my whole life did I ever anticipate having to take another life -- especially at age 80,” Moles told KOMO-TV in Seattle, Wash., last week.
Deputies said Steven Sheppard, 25, attacked Leland Moles after breaking into the couple’s home to steal drugs. KOMO reported that when Sheppard encountered Barb Moles, he said one word: “Gun.” Moles, a grandmother of eight and a great-grandmother of three, pulled the trigger four times. Three bullets hit the mark, KOMO reported. “I was just intent upon stopping him,” she told the station. “I didn’t have any other thought in my head. I just knew I had to stop him.”
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And this is one of the reasons we need to keep the 2nd Amendment intact. When some drug seeking scum bag decides to try taking advantage of the elderly, beating and even stabbing one, facing a gun from their victim should be their final sight. Had she had to wait for the police to arrive, her husband and likely her, would be dead now.
Having the ability to defend yourself in this country is a god given RIGHT that the government CANNOT infringe.
originally posted by: Krakatoa
originally posted by: PhoenixOD
Having the gun didnt stop her husband from being attacked stabbed and beaten unfortunately.
Only because she did the right thing, and what the LAW states she must do. That is to only use deadly force in RESPONSE to her (or her families) life actually being threatened. Only then, do you resort to making the deadly decision to take another's life in defense of your own. She was in a life threatening situation, and she used appropriate force to subdue her attacker. That fact will not go away, no matter how much you try to wish away those "evil" guns.
How many times have the anti-gun crowd bemoaned that "they should have waited", well, she did (correctly I might add). And still we hear complaints. I will defend my (and your life) if it ever came down to it, whether you are thankful or not. When there is a 100% guarantee that there are no people with the intent on killing me, anywhere, anytime, then I will consider it. Until such time, if you wish to be a victim, swim in it. I will not have the arrogance to try to convince you otherwise, I expect the same amount of respect from you.
ETA: Oh, and to your point, neither did the police. They were not there to stop that, neither was the legal system that let this criminal drug abuser into the general population. In fact, where were YOU to protect them? Slacking off perhaps?
originally posted by: SudoNim
For every prevented murder and burglary their are 2 dead children from gun ownership.
originally posted by: SudoNim
You can't take one instance where a gun may have helped the situation and claim it as a good case for the entire nation, that is moronic.
originally posted by: SudoNim
Had the home intruder not been so sure that the owners of the house would possess a gun they may not have felt the need to stab the owner to prevent them from using it.
Perhaps a different scenario would of played out if you removed gun ownership and the threat of gun ownership. Home intruder doesn't feel the need to be so violent because gun ownership is not common, he robs the house and leaves, both granny and granddad are left unhurt but shocked. Later police catch the criminal.
originally posted by: SudoNim
^ THAT is how the situation could play out in any reasonable country, instead YOU think its a victory that a man was beaten and stabbed and a criminal shot.
For every prevented murder and burglary their are 2 dead children from gun ownership.
You can't take one instance where a gun may have helped the situation and claim it as a good case for the entire nation, that is moronic.
Had the home intruder not been so sure that the owners of the house would possess a gun they may not have felt the need to stab the owner to prevent them from using it.
Perhaps a different scenario would of played out if you removed gun ownership and the threat of gun ownership. Home intruder doesn't feel the need to be so violent because gun ownership is not common, he robs the house and leaves, both granny and granddad are left unhurt but shocked. Later police catch the criminal.
^ THAT is how the situation could play out in any reasonable country, instead YOU think its a victory that a man was beaten and stabbed and a criminal shot.
originally posted by: seagull
a reply to: SudoNim
For every prevented murder and burglary their are 2 dead children from gun ownership.
Uh-huh. Is this an actual verifiable statistic, or just another in a long line of hyperbolic nonsense made up on the fly? Most folks who have prevented a burglary, such as myself, with a gun--which wasn't fired, oh by the way--don't report it. So I'm going to guess that this stat is one you made up on the fly. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
You can't take one instance where a gun may have helped the situation and claim it as a good case for the entire nation, that is moronic.
Umm...ok. ...and in your next sentence you claim that one instance of a burglar, who is, by the way, the bad guy in this story...just so you know, demanding guns somehow gives credence to your claims. Can't have it both ways.
Had the home intruder not been so sure that the owners of the house would possess a gun they may not have felt the need to stab the owner to prevent them from using it.
See above.
Perhaps a different scenario would of played out if you removed gun ownership and the threat of gun ownership. Home intruder doesn't feel the need to be so violent because gun ownership is not common, he robs the house and leaves, both granny and granddad are left unhurt but shocked. Later police catch the criminal.
He stabbed and beat the husband then demanded guns. So he'd have been a kinder, gentler vicious thug...? Is that where you're going with this? What world do you live in again??
^ THAT is how the situation could play out in any reasonable country, instead YOU think its a victory that a man was beaten and stabbed and a criminal shot.
A victory? No one died. What happens to little old lady if she didn't have a gun with which to defend herself and her husband. So, yeah, a victory.
We can play what if scenarios all day long... The gun saved her from being, in all likelihood, badly injured and her husband further brutalized, because it was in the hands of a tough as nails grandma.
You can roll over and show your throat and beg for mercy if you so choose, she didn't, and good for her!
originally posted by: SudoNim
originally posted by: seagull
a reply to: SudoNim
For every prevented murder and burglary their are 2 dead children from gun ownership.
Uh-huh. Is this an actual verifiable statistic, or just another in a long line of hyperbolic nonsense made up on the fly? Most folks who have prevented a burglary, such as myself, with a gun--which wasn't fired, oh by the way--don't report it. So I'm going to guess that this stat is one you made up on the fly. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
You can't take one instance where a gun may have helped the situation and claim it as a good case for the entire nation, that is moronic.
Umm...ok. ...and in your next sentence you claim that one instance of a burglar, who is, by the way, the bad guy in this story...just so you know, demanding guns somehow gives credence to your claims. Can't have it both ways.
Had the home intruder not been so sure that the owners of the house would possess a gun they may not have felt the need to stab the owner to prevent them from using it.
See above.
Perhaps a different scenario would of played out if you removed gun ownership and the threat of gun ownership. Home intruder doesn't feel the need to be so violent because gun ownership is not common, he robs the house and leaves, both granny and granddad are left unhurt but shocked. Later police catch the criminal.
He stabbed and beat the husband then demanded guns. So he'd have been a kinder, gentler vicious thug...? Is that where you're going with this? What world do you live in again??
^ THAT is how the situation could play out in any reasonable country, instead YOU think its a victory that a man was beaten and stabbed and a criminal shot.
A victory? No one died. What happens to little old lady if she didn't have a gun with which to defend herself and her husband. So, yeah, a victory.
We can play what if scenarios all day long... The gun saved her from being, in all likelihood, badly injured and her husband further brutalized, because it was in the hands of a tough as nails grandma.
You can roll over and show your throat and beg for mercy if you so choose, she didn't, and good for her!
He demanded guns? I thought this was a raid for money/drugs. You are a walking pile of contradictions. If, as you've just claimed, he was looking for guns then surely the fact that guns were present in the house was the motive. No guns in the house = No break-in?
Your argument is as ignorant as it is selfish. Trying to call people cowards or roll over, this isn't about the right to defend yourself with extreme measures when absolutely necessary, its about the cause. All you do is look at the outcome.
As for what world I live in? Unfortunately the same as you, luckily for me and the majority of the rest of the civilised world its not in America. And I'm a hell of a lot safer because of it.
Where's the praise for this Granny with a gun?
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originally posted by: BrokedownChevy
In other news, a 5 year dies of a self inflicted gun shot after finding a handgun underneath it's grandmother's pillow. For every life that a gun saves another is lost. I wish instead of arguing and saying this way is right or this way is wrong we just accepted that violence happens. Life is hard and it isn't fair. Sad, but true. I'm living the harsh reality myself.
originally posted by: SudoNim
Bad parenting in other civilised countries doesn't lead to toddlers getting their face shot off. Only in backwards countries like yours.
Keep thinking having a country filled with guns is keeping you safe, by living in America you and your family are at much higher risk. Post as many of these stories as you like, hide behind your out-dated, antiquated 2nd amendment its only yourselves that your hurting. It's also why America is a joke to the rest of the world.