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Pretty sure Bill Clinton's doodles prove Guccifer hacked into Hillary's server.

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posted on May, 11 2016 @ 11:50 AM
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Would you really like for me to go back through a few threads and post every single piece of false and intentionally misleading posts that you have made time after time? Won't be hard man... there are dozens of them.


Sure. If that's your obsession. I'm fully prepared to defend myself, and this might be a hard thing to grasp, I am willing to admit where I may be wrong or mistaken.



Do you or do you not agree that Sidney Blumenthal, a uncleared Clinton foundation employee, should not have been sending or receiving classified emails to or from Hillary Clinton via an unclassified method. And furthermore, Hillary should not have been passing not properly vetted foreign intelligence among members of the SD for action?


I don't know. There is a lot more context that I'd like to know before I come to any conclusion. We don't have that context yet. You've said yourself we have to wait and see, right?



That's a real simple question.... care to answer that?


Care to address the fact you misrepresented and were dishonest about my statements and were called-out for it?




posted on May, 11 2016 @ 11:59 AM
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originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: RickinVa



Would you really like for me to go back through a few threads and post every single piece of false and intentionally misleading posts that you have made time after time? Won't be hard man... there are dozens of them.


Sure. If that's your obsession. I'm fully prepared to defend myself, and this might be a hard thing to grasp, I am willing to admit where I may be wrong or mistaken.




So no matter what, there is never going to be enough information for you to arrive aat any conclusion other than Hillary is innocent because you personally have never seen the classified emails with your own eyeballs... got it..

good luck with that endeavor.




I don't know. There is a lot more context that I'd like to know before I come to any conclusion. We don't have that context yet. You've said yourself we have to wait and see, right?



That's a real simple question.... care to answer that?


Care to address the fact you misrepresented and were dishonest about my statements and were called-out for it?


"Care to address the fact you misrepresented and were dishonest about my statements and were called-out for it?"

What by like dozens and dozens of ATS posters?

Oh you mean by you!!! I disregard those as they come from you... nothing personal, I just know that all you are good for is posting pro Hillary drivel and straight up lying in some instances. I put no value in anything you type other than entertainment purposes.

So let me get this straight for the political record:

You do not see a problem with a government official using improperly vetted foreign intelligence updates from an employee of their own personal foundation, a foundation which took in millions on donations from foreign governments, to attempt to influence State Department decisions?

Simple question man,... need evidence? There are a plethora of emails between Sid and Hillster.

Do you or do you not agree that Sidney Blumenthal, a uncleared Clinton foundation employee, should not have been sending or receiving classified emails to or from Hillary Clinton via an unclassified method. And furthermore, Hillary should not have been passing not properly vetted foreign intelligence among members of the SD for action?

I do not have to defend myself.....watching you attack me every time I post is satisfaction enough to know the truth is finally getting under your skin.
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posted on May, 11 2016 @ 12:31 PM
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Oh you mean by you!!! I disregard those as they come from you... nothing personal, I just know that all you are good for is posting pro Hillary drivel and straight up lying in some instances. I put no value in anything you type other than entertainment purposes.


So you are going to be dishonest, not address the fact that you made a claim that is untrue, and turn it in to a personal attack?

Ok, but I'd like to see what you believe I've lied about. Give examples, please. Just because you say it, does not means it's true. I can provide an example of you lying, one being from this thread only one page back. I even called you out on it and you conveniently just skipped it.

Hmmm...



You do not see a problem with a government official using improperly vetted foreign intelligence updates from an employee of their own personal foundation, a foundation which took in millions on donations from foreign governments, to attempt to influence State Department decisions?


I didn't say that.



Do you or do you not agree that Sidney Blumenthal, a uncleared Clinton foundation employee, should not have been sending or receiving classified emails to or from Hillary Clinton via an unclassified method. And furthermore, Hillary should not have been passing not properly vetted foreign intelligence among members of the SD for action?


I need more information, such as why they were classified.



I do not have to defend myself.....watching you attack me every time I post is satisfaction enough to know the truth is finally getting under your skin.


It is you that is attacking me. I have shown where you are being dishonest, and you call me a liar in return. That's childish.

You are also making arrogant, snide remarks that you have no logical reason to make. Again, childish.

But it doesn't matter. That is not the point of the OP and the issue overall, and I am not going to fall further in to your trap of personal attacks, which is what you do to distract from the fact you have no more information on this topic than anyone else does.

We cannot come to any firm conclusion without more evidence to formulate proper context. We have to wait for more information and we will not get that info until the FBI releases their findings. To continue to push this issue as it has been is ignorant and dishonest.

But as we have seen, you have no problem with dishonesty.


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posted on May, 11 2016 @ 12:46 PM
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There goes that pesky pot calling that darned kettle black...when will it ever stop?

Look Man,,, here is the deal.... you are a true proud Hillary supporter... you will lie, mislead, be intellectually dishonest at any chance you get to defend the love of your life.

I do not believe one single iota of any of the pro Hillary drivel you constantly post... I mentally file all your Hillary posts in the G folder.... you know, G for garbage.

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Looks pretty clear to me.... Hillary is screwed.

"To continue to push this issue as it has been is ignorant and dishonest."

Says the man who posts more than anybody else in Hillary threads....priceless

Again for your political record:

Do you or do you not agree that Sidney Blumenthal, a uncleared Clinton foundation employee, should not have been sending or receiving classified emails to or from Hillary Clinton via an unclassified method. And furthermore, Hillary should not have been passing not properly vetted foreign intelligence among members of the SD for action?


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posted on May, 11 2016 @ 12:59 PM
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There goes that pesky pot calling that darned kettle black...when will it ever stop?


So you can't prove what you claim?



Look Man,,, here is the deal.... you are a true proud Hillary supporter... you will lie, mislead, be intellectually dishonest at any chance you get to defend the love of your life.


I've asked for proof of that. When have I lied? Again, you make a claim but fail to back it up. Pot...kettle? You make this too easy, Rick.

I've said many times I am not a Hillary supporter. I like debating this topic because people are so sure of themselves when it comes to Hillary's guilt. How you interpret that, I don't care. You are actually proving to be that which you claim of me.



I do not believe one single iota of any of the pro Hillary drivel you constantly post... I mentally file all your Hillary posts in the G folder.... you know, G for garbage.


Again, childish. This isn't a high school debate club.



Looks pretty clear to me.... Hillary is screwed.


Actually, considering recent press reports, Hillary may walk away form this as clean as she did from Benghazi.

Honestly, I don't know and neither do you. We cannot make any claim until the FBI releases their findings. Until then, keep spitting your religious dogma.

No matter the outcome, I am just fine because I have not made any conclusions or definitive statements. You, on the other hand, went full retard, shoved all of your chips in to the pot after only seeing one card. That's a fools bet.
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posted on May, 11 2016 @ 01:09 PM
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"went full retard"


You know it is not very nice to refer to mentally challenged people like that.

Resort to personal attacks when you fail to prove your point...you checked that box on your playlist.


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Recent leaks, pushed by the Hillary camp proclaim that there is no evidence of willful intent and no charges are likely..

That is correct...but she guilty of mishandling of classified information,,,2200+ times... no need for willful intent for a conviction.

Tick Tock goes the FBI Criminal Investigation Clock.


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posted on May, 11 2016 @ 01:12 PM
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"went full retard" You know it is not very nice to refer to mentally challenged people like that. Resort to personal attacks when you fail to prove you point...you checked that box on your playlist.



More disingenuous banter, huh Rick? When did I refer to mentally challenged people? Your teenage tactics are getting sloppy.

By the way, you have still yet to prove when I lied. You keep avoiding it, as a matter of fact.



posted on May, 11 2016 @ 01:14 PM
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originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: RickinVa



"went full retard" You know it is not very nice to refer to mentally challenged people like that. Resort to personal attacks when you fail to prove you point...you checked that box on your playlist.



More disingenuous banter, huh Rick? When did I refer to mentally challenged people? Your teenage tactics are getting sloppy.

By the way, you have still yet to prove when I lied. You keep avoiding it, as a matter of fact.


"When did I refer to mentally challenged people? Your teenage tactics are getting sloppy."

Seriously, you do not consider saying I went full retard meant that I was acting like a mentally challenged person?? Really? What else has Hillary taught you? Shall we bring in a mod to determine if saying someone went full retard is the same as saying that were acting like a mentally challenged person? You do not consider that a personal attack?

www.whitehouse.gov...

Section 1.1. Classification Standards. (a) Information may be originally classified under the terms of this order only if all of the following conditions are met:

(3) the information falls within one or more of the categories of information listed in section 1.4 of this order

Sec. 1.4. Classification Categories. Information shall not be considered for classification unless its unauthorized disclosure could reasonably be expected to cause identifiable or describable damage to the national security in accordance with section 1.2 of this order, and it pertains to one or more of the following:

(a) military plans, weapons systems, or operations;

(b) foreign government information;

(c) intelligence activities (including covert action), intelligence sources or methods, or cryptology;

(d) foreign relations or foreign activities of the United States, including confidential sources;

(e) scientific, technological, or economic matters relating to the national security;

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(g) vulnerabilities or capabilities of systems, installations, infrastructures, projects, plans, or protection services relating to the national security; or

(h) the development, production, or use of weapons of mass destruction.

Again for your political moral record:

Do you or do you not agree that Sidney Blumenthal, a uncleared Clinton foundation employee, should not have been sending or receiving classified emails to or from Hillary Clinton via an unclassified method. And furthermore, Hillary should not have been passing not properly vetted foreign intelligence among members of the SD for action?

Want to ask that or just skirt it like you do everything else?
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posted on May, 11 2016 @ 01:19 PM
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Again for your political moral record:


So now it's a political and moral record? At first it was political, now it's also about morality? Strange.



Want to ask that or just skirt it like you do everything else?


You are the one asking, so I should be the one to answer...and I already have.

I've said I don't know. I need more information.

Are you now going to stop skirting around your previous claims and prove where I lied?

Don't be a hypocrite Rickie. No one likes a hypocrite.

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Seriously, you do not consider saying I went full retard meant that I was acting like a mentally challenged person?? Really?


It's a reference to a movie line. Surely you are not that disconnected, are you?
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posted on May, 11 2016 @ 01:21 PM
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Ok, Rick. I am all-for a good debate, but you are going back and editing posts earlier in the discussion after I have replied to them.

That is very disingenuous and dishonest.



posted on May, 11 2016 @ 01:21 PM
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originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: RickinVa



Again for your political moral record:


So now it's a political and moral record? At first it was political, now it's also about morality? Strange.



Want to ask that or just skirt it like you do everything else?


You are the one asking, so I should be the one to answer...and I already have.

I've said I don't know. I need more information.

Are you now going to stop skirting around your previous claims and prove where I lied?

Don't be a hypocrite Rickie. No one likes a hypocrite.

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Seriously, you do not consider saying I went full retard meant that I was acting like a mentally challenged person?? Really?


It's a reference to a movie line. Surely you are not that disconnected, are you?


for the third time:

Do you or do you not agree that Sidney Blumenthal, a uncleared Clinton foundation employee, should not have been sending or receiving classified emails to or from Hillary Clinton via an unclassified method. And furthermore, Hillary should not have been passing not properly vetted foreign intelligence among members of the SD for action?

Scared to answer or would you prefer to skirt that issue as well?



posted on May, 11 2016 @ 01:23 PM
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originally posted by: UnBreakable
Case in point, Hillary sycophant Madeleine Albright, condemning them to hell.



This is one thing that is just "killing" her numbers. ( pardon the pun)

All hail the queen. The woman is so arrogant.
It is extremely offensive to be told "support Hillary"
or your going to hell.




posted on May, 11 2016 @ 01:23 PM
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for the third time:
Do you or do you not agree that Sidney Blumenthal, a uncleared Clinton foundation employee, should not have been sending or receiving classified emails to or from Hillary Clinton via an unclassified method. And furthermore, Hillary should not have been passing not properly vetted foreign intelligence among members of the SD for action?

Scared to answer or would you prefer to skirt that issue as well?


For the third time: I don't know. I need more information.



posted on May, 11 2016 @ 01:27 PM
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Ok, Rick. I am all-for a good debate, but you are going back and editing posts earlier in the discussion after I have replied to them.

That is very disingenuous and dishonest.


That is so full of BS... if you would quit stalking me and trying to reply to all my posts within seconds after they post... you wouldn't have that problem.... there is an edit function and timer for a reason.

I suggest you take that up with the ATS owners if you feel that people are messing up your game plan by editing their post when they realize they made a spelling or grammar error or just wanted to reword something a little differently.

Wait a few hours until my edit window runs out if it really bothers you that much.




(d) The unauthorized disclosure of foreign government information is presumed to cause damage to the national security.



posted on May, 11 2016 @ 01:31 PM
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originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: RickinVa



for the third time:
Do you or do you not agree that Sidney Blumenthal, a uncleared Clinton foundation employee, should not have been sending or receiving classified emails to or from Hillary Clinton via an unclassified method. And furthermore, Hillary should not have been passing not properly vetted foreign intelligence among members of the SD for action?

Scared to answer or would you prefer to skirt that issue as well?


For the third time: I don't know. I need more information.


Do you or do you not agree that Sidney Blumenthal, a uncleared Clinton foundation employee, should not have been sending or receiving classified emails to or from Hillary Clinton via an unclassified method. And furthermore, Hillary should not have been passing not properly vetted foreign intelligence among members of the SD for action?

1. You need more information in order for you to determine that a Clinton Foundation employee with no security clearance who was sending her classified emails is wrong?

2. You believe it is ok for a government official to use improperly vetted intelligence updates from an employee of their private foundation to influence the decisions made by the State Department concerning foreign goverments, when that same foundation is receiving millions in donations from those foreign governments?

What more proof do you need?
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posted on May, 11 2016 @ 01:34 PM
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That is so full of BS... if you would quit stalking me and trying to reply to all my posts within seconds after they post... you wouldn't have that problem.... there is an edit function and timer for a reason.


Replying to posts that you made specifically to me is stalking?

You think too much of yourself.

And what you are doing is not just grammar issues or rewording a segment. You are adding entire paragraphs after I had replied.

Bad form.



What more proof do you need?


Official proof.



posted on May, 11 2016 @ 01:40 PM
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That is so full of BS... if you would quit stalking me and trying to reply to all my posts within seconds after they post... you wouldn't have that problem.... there is an edit function and timer for a reason.


Replying to posts that you made specifically to me is stalking?

You think too much of yourself.

And what you are doing is not just grammar issues or rewording a segment. You are adding entire paragraphs after I had replied.

Bad form.



What more proof do you need?


Official proof.


Like this kind of official proof?

foia.state.gov...

The sad part is, at least Sid tried to use his own classification system... says right across the top...CONFIDENTIAL. That would be one of the first things I would ask her... Did you ever receive any emails that were marked confidential.

What more proof would you like that Sid was giving her intell updates and she was passing them around the SD... there are dozens more if you care to research anything.


Again:

Do you or do you not agree that Sidney Blumenthal, a uncleared Clinton foundation employee, should not have been sending or receiving classified emails to or from Hillary Clinton via an unclassified method. And furthermore, Hillary should not have been passing not properly vetted foreign intelligence among members of the SD for action?




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posted on May, 11 2016 @ 01:47 PM
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None of that seems to be sensitive or classified material.

In fact, the email addresses were considered more sensitive than the actual content because that is the only thing that has been redacted.



posted on May, 11 2016 @ 01:49 PM
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None of that seems to be sensitive or classified material.

In fact, the email addresses were considered more sensitive than the actual content because that is the only thing that has been redacted.



foia.state.gov...

well well well looky here..... an email that ole Sid thought was CONFIDENTIAL.... seems like the other reviewing agencies thought so as well.

Classified has nothing to do with whether you think it is ok for a Hillary Clinton to be using improperly vetted intelligence updates from a Clinton foundation employee to influence decisions made at the SD? You are trying to muddy the waters by throwing in irrelevant distractions.


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posted on May, 11 2016 @ 01:57 PM
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Was that email part of official State Department business, or for the Clinton foundation? The Clinton Foundation does work in Northern Ireland and with the people mentioned in that email.

From your link:


After five hours of talk at Downing Street tonight, Thursday, October 8, Shaun Woodward tells me that it seems Gordon Brown has brokered a financial package with Peter Robinson and Martin McGuinness that may in turn break the deadlock on devolution of policing and justice.


From the Clinton Foundation:


Special Session on Northern Ireland, moderated by President Clinton, featured Peter Robinson, first minister from Northern Ireland Executive; Martin McGuinness, deputy First Minister, Northern Ireland Executive; Declan Kelly, economic envoy to Northern Ireland, U.S. Department of State; Shaun Woodward, Secretary of State for Northern Ireland; and Michéal Martin, Minster of Foreign Affairs, Republic of Ireland.


www.clintonfoundation.org... ireland-announ.html

So was it confidential government business, or confidential CF business?
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