Dimensional Jumping & the Mandela Effect – yes, no, maybe?

a reply to: Makingoodtime

sanity comes into question

Every day in every way.. .

if we're the least bit curious!

Lately, anyway...

originally posted by: Rapha

originally posted by: FlyInTheOintment
a reply to: Rapha

Interesting theory.. I believe that matters of synchronicity, deja vu & so forth are extremely relevant to what we're perceiving as investigation of this topic proceeds. Are we perhaps witnessing some sort of large-scale 'awakening'..? Not to a New Age per say, but rather to an enhanced understanding of & appreciation for unusual Human psychological processes, which have a direct bearing on, or relationship with, the fundamental nature of reality? The effect seems to be gathering momentum, unfolding broadly in certain sectors of the Human race at this time (primarily the English speaking world, apparently).

The way i see it, is like every spirit is being transferred into dimensions of similar minded spirits.

Example: every Christian that believes that the 7 Year Tribulation will happen means that their path will lead them into it.

Every spiritual person that believes that they will be transported out to another realm will vanish. Christians will naturally classify this event (if it happens) as the False Rapture.

All warmongers, arms dealers, soldiers, hawk politicians and terrorists will get the final mass annihilation war that they want.

Notice how Doom Porn always states that The End is Nigh, yet it never happens.

What if we are immortal and this planet is a training ground where the only way to move on is to hold no grudges against anyone ?

Once a persons' heart is in the right place then they will shift to another reality, be greeted by aliens that will then train them to help mortals throughout the universe. What better way to learn the difference between right and wrong than to be born into this Prison Planet ?

Reincarnation is possible proof that certain spirits still hold grudges after dying so they get born again to repeat the same test.

could someone be so powerful that when he jumps to another dimension, he could take everybody same minded with him

a reply to: restless genius

David Attenborough's brother, Richard Attenborough died recently. He was famously as an actor particularly in the Harry Potter sereis. Maybe this is what you were thinking of.

originally posted by: AcerM
could someone be so powerful that when he jumps to another dimension, he could take everybody same minded with him

The idea that i have given is all that is required to shift to better dimensions.

Note: one priority that you must always consider; don't maintain any grudges, hateful thoughts or thoughts of revenge. The world around you will acknowledge your higher spiritual frequency and naturally shift you upwards to a better dimension via Law of Attraction.

And yes, this even requires one to forgive all entities like fallen angels and other negative entities. Now, if they take it, then that is up to them. As you forgive them, you rise above them and they cannot do any harm to you.

I would like to propose an experiment, which may go some way to answering the question of whether we are able to, at least in part, engineer our Reality.

The primary thing I gleaned from the Owls of Eternity example, quoted in the OP, was that we can 'holographically dissolve' a principle, item, theme, thoughtform of some sort, into Reality around us, via a sort of psychological willfulness - which will lead to the manifestation of 'owl-ishness' in our future Reality. If we want to see more owls, we simply meditate on the image & appearance of an owl, and try to suffuse that imagery into what we sense as our vital, fundamental experience of Reality, with expectation in line with imagination, acknowledging that from now on, owl-ishness will manifest for us.

That's slightly different from the actual principle of Dimensional Jumping, and in fact, an experiment to promote owl-ishness would probably be better termed an experiment in the willful creation of synchronicity. Maybe that's a good place to start - baby steps towards the experience of Dimensional Jumping proper.

I propose therefore that we take a single theme, and spend ten-fifteen minutes (at some time when we are alone, undisturbed & relaxed), to meditate on whether we can cause that theme to show up in our lives - simply 'dissolving' it into the substrate of Reality around us. If we name the theme we're going for, we can then report back on any subsequent genesis of that theme in our day-to-day lives.

My personal theme will be black cats (I'm not superstitious), and I will report back specifically in three days' time..

a reply to: FlyInTheOintment

Just a quick, obvious comment.. .but folks will say the "owl experiment" is simply attention and confirmation bias...

of course it is...

but perhaps "confirmation bias" is how "reality" manifests.

Now, if so (and this is, of course, spitballin') where does 'mind vs exterior environment' end.. .is there a line?

If not, then is there a line between other sentient reality modelers? Who's version of reality gains primacy? Why?

Are we immersed in a "mental soup" of conflicting versions manifesting with intensity corresponding to the quality of imagination/will that is projecting it?

Or are we heads in vats immersed in our personal worlds of delusion/imagination?

One argument for 'many minds in the sandbox' is some of the novel thoughts that are epiphanies and leave us gobsmacked... personally, I love those, as it indicates we aren't alone, belly-button gazing! Heh...

Interesting thread and musings!

Very deep and intelligent opening posts, FlyIn

I feel the same way about the mirror gazing. I too am from a Christian background, but more so because of some of my experiences with the dark side of the spiritual, I would stay clear of such magic. Anything that twists or manipulates one thing into something else is unnatural and in the realm of evil, in my opinion. Mirrors can be turned into doorways to other dimensions, whether on purpose or by accident. By staring into yourself through a mirror, you aren't just opening up to your inner powers and having them wake through you, you are also empowering the mirror and waking your powers through it. Even with good intentions, this could be a disaster.

And of course, trying to change one's reality at all is magic anyway. This puts me in a moral bind as well...what would be right or wrong, what would be dangerous to attempt, what might the consequences be? I can say that in my own life experience I have tried to think positive against so much negativity, and it never seemed to work. This is what is called the Law of Attraction: that you basically get what you deserve because you attract your life experiences. Well, having tried this, staying true to positive thoughts and feelings while great negative forces actually increased against me, I realized beyond any doubt that it was not true. Besides which, at times when I was down (depressed, given up,) great things came my way--as if some being took pity on me and gave me a helping hand. I believe there is truth to the Law of Attraction, but one should never place too much hope in it. We are, after all, on the receiving end of other people's actions and the consequences for their actions. For one person to have complete control over the world around them, they'd literally have to be God.

I believe that we all engage with the spiritual every day, whether we realize it or not. We open to ideas which open new avenues for us in our lives, for example. This could happen simply by talking to someone who has a much better life than you do. Maybe they offer you a job, encourage you to start up your own business, or pursue your dream career. A burst of energy comes out from them, into you. You go with that energy and see where it takes you. Great things may result, or you may lose grasp on that excited energy and fall back down to where you were before in life. So, we interact with the world on two levels: the obvious level of what we say and do, but also the spiritual level, where we follow old or new paths. These 'paths' are mysterious and we don't always know where they will take us, so you we can only rely on our intuition when deciding which to take.

So technically, we are all magicians, in the sense that we all influence our own realities and affect the outcome of things around us simply by engaging the world. By believing in someone with low self-esteem who feels that no one has ever truly believed in them, you give that individual a boost from a lower path, offering them a newer one (whether you intend that or not, or even if you never see that person again.) In simple terms, their perception has changed, and they can see now how they can accomplish more in life. In the spiritual sense, they see a new path open before them, one which can fill them full of life. In a sense, many of us have been blind wizards, waving magic wands and affecting change we did not fully realize we were.

But to intentionally, knowingly affect change in a specific way for a specific purpose is another matter, as that means that the ego is more in change. Placing the Ego Self in a position of power over the spiritual seems like a terrible idea. I think if you research the occult, most of the dark and corrupt things you discover come precisely from doing that. To me, spirituality should be something you follow in your heart. Not that it can't be discussed, but if you give the reins of your spiritual journey to the Ego Self, you might not only make misguided choices but potentially miss out on the spiritual journey all together.

So, I am undecided...

I can't help but think however that it would be interesting if a bunch of us meditated on "Berenstein," to see what happens

a reply to: FlyInTheOintment

Ive seen the last Mandela effect thread reach over 1000 replies!

Yet somehow, nobody ever seems to get a clearer answer as to WTF is actually going on!

So... what, if anything, do we know?

a reply to: combatmaster

I think I think and therefore, maybe I am?

That's about as far as I've gotten.

Strange uptick of ... er, 'concreteness of reality musings' on this board, others and in my own "real" life...

Is it real? Simply a muse/dream ... or both at the same time?

a reply to: TechniXcality

I remember this as well. It seemed preposterous to me when I first saw that he actually hadn't died.

a reply to: Elementalist

I personally do not know what has caused it, I only know personally that it has happened to me. Reality may not be anything that you think it is.

if i " dimension shifted " // " reality jumped " and all i got out of it was the knowledge that nelson mandela is alive and a berenstein bears book - i would be pissed off

a reply to: LoneCloudHopper2

But to intentionally, knowingly affect change in a specific way for a specific purpose is another matter, as that means that the ego is more in change. Placing the Ego Self in a position of power over the spiritual seems like a terrible idea. I think if you research the occult, most of the dark and corrupt things you discover come precisely from doing that. To me, spirituality should be something you follow in your heart. Not that it can't be discussed, but if you give the reins of your spiritual journey to the Ego Self, you might not only make misguided choices but potentially miss out on the spiritual journey all together.

So, I am undecided...

What he said...

I am in agreement now, having mulled it over these past couple of days, that it would probably be a very bad idea to start attempting to forcibly change reality based on the rather limited perspective of the ego self. In fact, having followed a merry dance round the halls of Reddit, reading up on the various techniques & metaphysical/ philosophical thoughts relating to the premise of 'dimensional jumping', I found a set of comments which basically stated that although this sort of thing is physically possible, it's akin (literally) to committing suicide, as the practitioner can literally end up in an alternate dimension, living a life that literally has nothing to do with the one they had previously. This information apparently comes (anecdotally) from persons who have done it, shifted into another realm & stayed there some time, and then they came back, because the whole thing was (direct quote) "a horror story".

Perhaps there is a boundary line across which we should not stray - your thoughts on mirror gazing directly parallel my own, for example. I wonder though, based on my personal discernment & intuition, whether we are supposed to exercise our faith a little, in the sense that we meditate on attracting change into our lives simply by believing 'the Truth', which is that God loves us, and desires good things for us, and that darn it, just think positive & have the faith that it will come to pass, and it surely will!

I do believe that there is a measure of this sort of practice which is healthy, but that there most certainly is a line we don't cross. Perhaps the line is delineated by the mirror itself? As in, we can observe our selves, and the ramifications of our selves, and we can exercise faith that things can be changed - but the minute we start to look beyond the mirror, beyond the veil, in actuality, then we have crossed the line. Perhaps at that point, when the veil is lifted, as we seek to traverse the borders of reality, our natural aura of divine protection is automatically shed, at least in part. I wouldn't want to risk it, based on what I have learned since starting to investigate this topic. Healthy attempts at filtering our thinking, exercising our faith - but direct reality manipulation using Magick? A no-go, at least in my book, even if we forget divine consequences. and only consider that our ego might totally screw up our requests, manifesting a nightmare instead of our dreams.

I know you asked for us not to reply to trolls, FlyIn, but just to explain my above post, I would not ignore an apparent honest criticism either

a reply to: combatmaster

What we know, I think, is that there is an absolute divide, between people who know that they have experienced the Mandela Effect, adn those who absolutely deny that such an effect is possible. That's the first thing - there's no happy medium, or at least, those who are in the happy medium place aren't particularly keen to voice their opinions, perhaps for fear of ridicule, or whatever.

Secondly, I think we can say that the Mandela Effect is a genuine, highly puzzling, real phenomenon, based in the realms of applied psychology, with a shade of Magick involved, and possibly with a hint of Mind Kontrolle triggering.

The fact is, that some people are somehow 'triggered' into seeing Reality in a different way than they had previously. That, in a nutshell, is what's going on. It seems impossible, but the memories that people have held as absolutes, suddenly come into question - all evidence mysteriously, inexplicably, points to the memory being false. Even though to the experiencer, the memory was absolutely genuine, and contextual memories which are related to the 'wrongly false' memory, have actually anchored it in their central memory bank.

I am personally of the opinion, that Reality is more fluid than we once believed. I hold that 'someone' is conductng a wide-scale experiment, primarily targeting the English language, and that in some unknowable way, Reality is actually being distorted - but only in the perception of the experiencers. It strikes me that somehow, fundamental memories are being 'switched out', so that the false memory seems to have been the true memory, and yet, according to this line of thought, that was never the case. The only alternative, is that the false memory WAS the case, and we have somehow ended up in a closely parallel universe, ergo, someone is capable of manipulating Reality in ways that are so far beyond our ken, that we would probably die from brain exhaustion trying to figure out the science.

It's a tricky one, but that's where my thoughts reside. That the effect is caused by mass 'switch-out' of genuine memory for false memory, likely due to a psy-op, likely having someting to do with media & hypnosis. The only alternative is that Nazis got hold of some super-science (we know of Operation Eagle Flight - the Nazi ideology survived, and thrived after WW2) - and we're all royally screwed, for they will soon be ushering in Armageddon, having seen the results of their initial experiments prove the theory so finely.

a reply to: LoneCloudHopper2

You're a pragmatic, Mandela Effect agnostic...

a reply to: ignorant_ape

I think most people are agreed that this is only the beginning, if it is a genuine harbinger of things to come. A trial run, a beta test, a display of sabre-rattling...

"We have Reality by the balls, so you'd better do as we say..!!"

a reply to: FlyInTheOintment

I have for some years now had the ability to jump universes when needed, never a big jump but to a slightly different one when I need a specific thing to occour.

I have been doing this since before the Mandella effect was a thing and often wondered if my altered memory was due to me switching realities.

As to the ethics of doing so it can only ever affect you personally as all of the universes already exist.

a reply to: FlyInTheOintment

I'm pretty sure I've jumped dimensions (timeslip ?) before without a resulting "Mandela Effect". My story was posted in this thread: www.abovetopsecret.com...

"Ok, let me first preface this by saying that if somebody told me this happened to them, I wouldn't believe it, but this is my off the wall experience. I have been commuting to work by train foe 25+ years now and this occurred about 10 years go. I arrived at the train station near my place of employment as usual about 8:00 am like every other morning and was walking through the station with hundreds of other commuters with the usual hustle and bustle. Suddenly, without warning, it was like I entered another room. The air got thick and hazy and all of a sudden it was difficult to walk, like walking in mud. People on both sides and in front of me appeared to be dressed in attire from the early 1900's, some men in bowler hats and women in long period dresses. The interior of the station, which I know like the back of my hand, seemed different with unfamiliar storefronts where the usual coffee and newstand kiosks would be. As quick as it happened, it was like stepping out of that room, and everything went back to normal. I cautiously looked behind me and the usual multitude of people were walking behind me as normal. This only seemed to affect me. Although I have an open mind I lean toward skepticism when it comes to time warps, interdemensional travel, etc., I have no other explaination as to what happened to me that morning. I wasn't daydreaming, hung over or anything else. I've had no experiences like that before or after. "

originally posted by: FlyInTheOintment
... but the minute we start to look beyond the mirror, beyond the veil, in actuality, then we have crossed the line. Perhaps at that point, when the veil is lifted, as we seek to traverse the borders of reality, our natural aura of divine protection is automatically shed, at least in part.

This is definitely a possibility! I personally will not step away from what I feel is in the Creator's intentions.

I agree it is harmless innocence, to a point. Following your heart is pretty innocent, until it's not. Where that line is can be a very tricky matter.

Many times I have prayed for positive outcomes and this is a way of affecting reality, this could arguably be viewed as magic as well. It is different however, as I am asking for something to be done, understating that it may not be. My method of prayer is different than most people's: I imagine what I want like an image, and I try to make myself believe--feel--that it will be. I have helped two women with cancer overcome it this way. When a third woman I knew developed it, I tried praying in this way, of visualizing her feeling much better, but this prayer instantly stopped because I had a sudden knowing that she was not going to make it. I never used to believe in the power of prayer, but these experiences showed me that it can work. I've lately been attempting this to help better my own life. It's a way of affecting change, but only if accepted and performed by the Higher Power, because I intentionally give it to Him.

This is my approach anyway.

I think it would be 'harmless mischief' to play around with affecting change, and we seem to do such things naturally without realizing it, yet at the same time, curiosity killed the cat. Intentionally messing with reality could be disastrous. We don't yet know why this has happened or what it really means. There might have been a cog in the wheel, so to speak, for all we know. Maybe it's a test. Maybe it's a warning. Perhaps it's a sign that there are changes underway in what we call 'reality.' Or perhaps reality has always worked this way: sometimes things just change.

The answer to the riddle "The chicken or the egg?" may be "the chicken" after all