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Income tax scandal + Maritime Admiralty Law theory = No Inc Tax Scandal?

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posted on May, 6 2016 @ 11:30 AM
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Income tax scandal + Maritime Admiralty Law theory = No Inc Tax Scandal?

I have recently been refreshing on these two subjects and I haven’t ever studied them in close proximity before. I will not go into the details as I already have a thread for each and it feels unnecessary to repeat.

But if person is equal to human beings, and corporation is equal to person, it is only names and more specifically, certain capitalization that defines our place between these two child concepts. In the case of ID, BC etc… People would effectively be Corporations owned by the United States, which is also defined as a corporation by legal definition.

Income tax is unconstitutional as the average American worker cannot be made to pay a direct tax on their labour without a passed law, of which there isn’t one. However Income tax can be applied to Corporations.

My thoughts being that Income tax is actually completely legal, due to a different kind of Legal manipulation, that transforms us a person (Human being) into a person (Corporation). A corporation can be taxed via income tax constitutionally. Your Thoughts?
I would like to state I am against both of these concepts individually and as a whole, and that this is just an idea I have come across. That is not to say it hasn’t been thought of or that it is true




posted on May, 6 2016 @ 11:45 AM
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a reply to: RevolutionAnon

Why do people still buy in to sovereign citizen crap?

That's the real question here.



posted on May, 6 2016 @ 11:49 AM
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a reply to: Shamrock6


No the real question is, if it bothers you so much, why contribute to a thread with "sovereign citizen crap" clearly in the title.
This is a conspiracy site, not an appease shamrock6 site, your views are meaningless to me and will never decide what i should of shouldn't post.



posted on May, 6 2016 @ 11:51 AM
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originally posted by: RevolutionAnon
A corporation can be taxed via income tax constitutionally. Your Thoughts?


Corporations do not pay tax, they only collect it from the end user. They are a pass through.



posted on May, 6 2016 @ 11:51 AM
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My name is not in all capitals on my birth certificate. I guess I'm ok then.

Not so good for you, I guess. Sorry about that.

edit on 5/6/2016 by Phage because: (no reason given)



posted on May, 6 2016 @ 12:02 PM
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originally posted by: RevolutionAnon
a reply to: Shamrock6


No the real question is, if it bothers you so much, why contribute to a thread with "sovereign citizen crap" clearly in the title.
This is a conspiracy site, not an appease shamrock6 site, your views are meaningless to me and will never decide what i should of shouldn't post.


You can post whatever you want, of course, but when you do so your posts are subject to scrutiny. If they are not well-written, or are intellectually-challenged, you can expect to be criticized. Your OP is somewhat obtuse and it's not clear what your issue is. Lashing out at someone who is challenging your position does nothing to clarify your issues. It just adds mud to the water. Calling his post meaningless can equally well be applied to your original post. If you want to engage the population of ATS, you need to respond in a meaningful way. Otherwise your thread will sink into obscurity. Right now it is not clear you even know what you are talking about.



posted on May, 6 2016 @ 12:04 PM
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a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

Im speaking lawfully. This is a philosophical debate, I never stated otherwise, though i agree with your point it is moot in regards to my thread.

I called the MAL a theory, twice. I put a disclaimer at the bottom to discourage excatly these kind of comments.

All i wanted was a couple of peoples opinions. All i ended up with was two pointless answers. One about sovereign citizen crap i never even supported in this thread, and another taking it to seriously.



posted on May, 6 2016 @ 12:08 PM
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a reply to: RevolutionAnon

If you feel income tax is un-Constitutional then stop paying it.

Get back to us with the results.



posted on May, 6 2016 @ 12:10 PM
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a reply to: RevolutionAnon

Individuals are Subchapter S corporations.





posted on May, 6 2016 @ 12:16 PM
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a reply to: schuyler

1)
So these replys are just a form of intellectual arrogance then? We agree.

2)
It is quite clear. If you understand the concepts of both the income tax and the MAL theory i fail to see the failure in understanding. MAL theory would change you from a human being, with constitutional rights, into a corporation with retractable privelleges. This would then bring you in line with the income tax.

3)
My post is only meaningless to those not interested, which could be a few, or many. If they fall into that catergory i fail to see the need to contribute. I am not discussing hard facts here, everything is mostly theoretical. So i happily stand by saying the first reply i recieved was indeed meaningless. All it did was berate me for believing in something I never even said i believed in. Show me the logic in that?

As for getting a lack of replys I would be unconcerned. I dont post threads for popularity. Better the single good answer than a Hundred answers like the first.

But thanks for your input, another related, on topic post...



posted on May, 6 2016 @ 12:21 PM
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a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

1)
It is un-constitutional.... It is an unapportioned direct tax. Article 1 Section 2.

2)
Again i fail to see how these posts are not being removed as off-topic. This is not a debate over the validity of income tax or a debate to prove the theory of MAL.



posted on May, 6 2016 @ 12:23 PM
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a reply to: Phage

You would indeed be an anomaly to this equation. Thanks for the actual input.



posted on May, 6 2016 @ 12:24 PM
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originally posted by: RevolutionAnon
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It is un-constitutional.... It is an unapportioned direct tax. Article 1 Section 2.


Then is it safe to assume you do not pay income tax?



posted on May, 6 2016 @ 12:25 PM
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originally posted by: RevolutionAnon
You would indeed be an anomaly to this equation. Thanks for the actual input.


My name is not in all capitals as I pointed out in your other thread. This is not as big of an 'anomaly' as you think. It only appears on those dopey sovereign citizen forums as some sort of universal birth certificate feature.



posted on May, 6 2016 @ 12:31 PM
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Corporations do not pay tax, they only collect it from the end user. They are a pass through.


Wow what an insight! You don't say - we couldn't have figured it out on our own - Nice thread drift. But you're still technically wrong.



posted on May, 6 2016 @ 12:32 PM
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a reply to: TheConstruKctionofLight

If you say so.



posted on May, 6 2016 @ 12:35 PM
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a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

Yeah so, as fun as this is, I am going to move onto another thread and see if i can get into a thread related conversion instead of debating sovereign citizen crap, of which ive never even labeled as truth only theory.

Maybe next time i will ask about sovereign citizen crap and perhaps I will get the answer to this thread, who knows.
edit on 6-5-2016 by RevolutionAnon because: (no reason given)



posted on May, 6 2016 @ 12:36 PM
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originally posted by: RevolutionAnon
a reply to: Shamrock6


No the real question is, if it bothers you so much, why contribute to a thread with "sovereign citizen crap" clearly in the title.
This is a conspiracy site, not an appease shamrock6 site, your views are meaningless to me and will never decide what i should of shouldn't post.


This is a member content generated site. As such, when a member generates content, it is implied that other members will be able to contribute their own content to it. Whether they agree with the premise given by the original poster or disagree or think the premise is completely and utterly stupid.

This is not an agree with RevolutionAnon site. If you wish to post content and have control over who is allowed to respond to said content, and the manner in which they do so, I suggest you create your own site.



posted on May, 6 2016 @ 12:38 PM
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originally posted by: RevolutionAnon
Yeah so, as fun as this is, I am going to move onto another thread and see if i can get into a thread related conversion instead of debating sovereign citizen crap, of which ive never even labeled as truth only theory.


I like how you avoided giving an answer on whether you pay income tax or not considering you think it is illegal. Typical sovereign citizen scammer bulls***.



posted on May, 6 2016 @ 12:45 PM
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a reply to: Shamrock6

Members can most definately respond with input, so long as that input is on topic. The bottom line of this topic is thoughts on a given answer and whether you would think its valid. I clearly state at the bottom of the thread I am not declaring anything as true or false, just working on the basis that it is true for arguments sake.

The fact you still defend your original comment is just testament to your arrogance. I have had posts removed for less and it in no way relates to this thread. The title isn't "I have proved Sovereign Citizen Crap", or "What are your thoughts on Sovereign Citizen Crap" so i fail to see the relevance of that post in this thread. That is an opinion belonging to another debate.



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