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originally posted by: odzeandennz
5) and advanced race, logically would rather stay secluded from outsiders. an advanced race would create paradise on their homeworld and remain there. an advanced race would not have doubts, need to conquer,war, wouldnt yearn anything or have any more questions. movement would seem pointless if theyve conquered all questions.
originally posted by: Heliocentric
originally posted by: odzeandennz
5) and advanced race, logically would rather stay secluded from outsiders. an advanced race would create paradise on their homeworld and remain there. an advanced race would not have doubts, need to conquer,war, wouldnt yearn anything or have any more questions. movement would seem pointless if theyve conquered all questions.
Why is that logically so? Why would not an advanced race spread out into the Universe and adapt it to its needs? Every cell multiplies, do they not? If an 'intelligence' of some sorts developed 2 billion years ago, it is more likely that we live in a Universe designed by them than not IMO. It is more likely than not that we're part of their design rather than a random spark of intelligence, because an advanced race could spread life in an organized fashion.
originally posted by: TinfoilTP
If we made contact with a more advanced life, they would force us to follow their religion by sending missionaries with colonizing armies. Maybe you would be forced to bow down to an actual spaghetti monster or else. Would be an interesting prospect for atheists.
originally posted by: odzeandennz
1) we are constantly looking for 'intelligent life forms'
why? really why? what is the point, what do we hope to achieve, what cant we do without finding these 'intelligent life'. if weve figured out the big questions, why not keep going solo and keep pushing forward. what makes us think those life forms will unveil or expose something we dont already know or at least theorized.
2) why do we insist on looking for ourselve when trying to "detect" those 'inteligent life', what makes us think they will have similar physiology. i.e. means to see hear breathe and [need of energy as we know it. ]
if we send videos, data, writting, sound clips, what makes us think they take in information as we do? why assume they will "see or hear" what we sent up there. what if they are absolutely nothing like us, so much so we dont even think they are 'alive' (in the generic term). what if they "see" using something we cant even imagine.
3) if the oceans are any indication of how life can flourish in the most remote and inhabitale regions of the planet, deprived of oxigen, light and 'nutrients'; why do we look for life on 'earth-like' planets. meaning planet that have similar 'surfaces' as earth. why would it be far fetched to assume life may be thriving on Saturn or Jupiter or mercury. if life is flourishing at oceanic depths where the earths core meets the surface, and toxic gases and heat would make life impossible, yet we see the opposite, why not assume there is life on say pluto or venus or ceres or the moon but were just looking for human like species. surface dwellers.
4) were only .1% different from chimps, and we have phones that can start our motorized vehicles. look at us and look at the smartest xhimp alive today. now imagine meeting an intelligence that is 100% smarter than us. what then? would we even understand or be able to imagine what it does?
5) theoretically, time is not linear. in essence if something can happen, it will happen and has already happened. meaning, if we created a time machine in the future, we would already have seen or observed such indications . remember that .1% difference from chimps, imagine what a really advanced race at 100000% our brain capacity. would they already have found us. what makes us think they havent?
5) and advanced race, logically would rather stay secluded from outsiders. an advanced race would create paradise on their homeworld and remain there. an advanced race would not have doubts, need to conquer,war, wouldnt yearn anything or have any more questions. movement would seem pointless if theyve conquered all questions. why do we think they would allow us, less advanced to polute whatever system they have worked for eons to achieve . an advance race would work toward using as little energy and emitting as little as posible, not create a Dyson sphere...
6) lastly, is there anything ive asked here which scientists havent, or should not have asked themselves long ago?
originally posted by: odzeandennz
1) we are constantly looking for 'intelligent life forms'
why? really why? what is the point, what do we hope to achieve, what cant we do without finding these 'intelligent life'. if weve figured out the big questions, why not keep going solo and keep pushing forward. what makes us think those life forms will unveil or expose something we dont already know or at least theorized.
2) why do we insist on looking for ourselve when trying to "detect" those 'inteligent life', what makes us think they will have similar physiology. i.e. means to see hear breathe and [need of energy as we know it. ]
if we send videos, data, writting, sound clips, what makes us think they take in information as we do? why assume they will "see or hear" what we sent up there. what if they are absolutely nothing like us, so much so we dont even think they are 'alive' (in the generic term). what if they "see" using something we cant even imagine.
3) if the oceans are any indication of how life can flourish in the most remote and inhabitale regions of the planet, deprived of oxigen, light and 'nutrients'; why do we look for life on 'earth-like' planets. meaning planet that have similar 'surfaces' as earth. why would it be far fetched to assume life may be thriving on Saturn or Jupiter or mercury. if life is flourishing at oceanic depths where the earths core meets the surface, and toxic gases and heat would make life impossible, yet we see the opposite, why not assume there is life on say pluto or venus or ceres or the moon but were just looking for human like species. surface dwellers.
4) were only .1% different from chimps, and we have phones that can start our motorized vehicles. look at us and look at the smartest xhimp alive today. now imagine meeting an intelligence that is 100% smarter than us. what then? would we even understand or be able to imagine what it does?
5) and advanced race, logically would rather stay secluded from outsiders. an advanced race would create paradise on their homeworld and remain there. an advanced race would not have doubts, need to conquer,war, wouldnt yearn anything or have any more questions. movement would seem pointless if theyve conquered all questions. why do we think they would allow us, less advanced to polute whatever system they have worked for eons to achieve . an advance race would work toward using as little energy and emitting as little as posible, not create a Dyson sphere...
originally posted by: odzeandennz
originally posted by: Heliocentric
originally posted by: odzeandennz
5) and advanced race, logically would rather stay secluded from outsiders. an advanced race would create paradise on their homeworld and remain there. an advanced race would not have doubts, need to conquer,war, wouldnt yearn anything or have any more questions. movement would seem pointless if theyve conquered all questions.
Why is that logically so? Why would not an advanced race spread out into the Universe and adapt it to its needs? Every cell multiplies, do they not? If an 'intelligence' of some sorts developed 2 billion years ago, it is more likely that we live in a Universe designed by them than not IMO. It is more likely than not that we're part of their design rather than a random spark of intelligence, because an advanced race could spread life in an organized fashion.
i beg to differ.
your idea of an intelligent race is just us but smarter. what you listted are things we would do if we could. thats all.
a truely advanced race would see no need to spread. their emotions would not be the same as us, they would not only evolve technologically, but biologically presumably. their needs would evolve from our needs. they would not want the implications which would inevitably come with spreading their cultures around the universe. they would rather try to attain perfection, in every sense of the word.
its less likely an advanced being is the way we paint advanced beings in our sci fi writtings and movies.
again, were simply imagining a version of us.