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originally posted by: GemmyMcGemJew
a reply to: ketsuko
So are your experiences god given, spiritual or just unexplainable to you?
originally posted by: CapstonePendulum
a reply to: intrptr
Even the bible has my god is better than your god type arguments when it comes to the spoils of war taken by the Israelites and the request of its return.
The reply is something like, " You keep what your god gives you, so we are keeping what our god has given us."
originally posted by: mOjOm
a reply to: polyath
I agree. He's absolutely correct in what he's saying. Agnostic means not knowing. It's the opposite of Gnostic meaning to know.
originally posted by: ServantOfTheLamb
a reply to: CapstonePendulum
Which is the most honest approach one can take because none of us actually know if God exists, or if there are multiple gods. We know only what mythology tells us. History is silent. Science offers no proof either way of God. Everything is faith. And trust in humans to accurately report unbelievable events.
First Science is not quite nor is Philosophy.
List of Arguments leading to some God:
1. Kalam Cosmological Argument based on a theory of time. Uses Science to prove premise 2 of the argument is sound.
2. Fine Tuning Argument. Uses Science to show the state of the universe is to fragile to be product of chance.
3. Ontological Argument based of S5 modal logic system developed by Alvin Plantinga, proves via deduction that maximal greatness is exemplified.
4. Moral Argument - shows the need for a God to explain the moral realm we observe in reality.
The idea that no one knows anything about God is an argument from Omniscience fallacy. You would have to know every persons situation and thoughts to make this claim. History is not silent. Pretty strong case can be made for the resurrection . Take 1 Corinthians 15 "3 For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received: that Christ died for our sins in accordance with the Scriptures, 4 that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day in accordance with the Scriptures, 5 and that he appeared to Cephas, then to the twelve. 6 Then he appeared to more than five hundred brothers at one time, most of whom are still alive, though some have fallen asleep. 7 Then he appeared to James, then to all the apostles. 8 Last of all, as to one untimely born, he appeared also to me. "
Scholars, including skeptical ones, date this portion of the text to 3-8 years after Christs death. The majority of scholars accept that he lived, was crucified under Pontius Pilate, buried in the tomb of Joseph Arimethea in Jerusalem, that this tomb was found empty 3 days later by a group of his women followers, and many of his followers believed they saw him after his death and died for this claim. These facts along with the fact that Christianity spread from Jerusalem, imo, give a good reason to accept that Jesus actually rose from the Dead. So we have plenty of reason to believe there is a creator then we get to the idea of the Resurrection with good historical reasons to believe that Jesus was who he said he was and really rose from the dead.
If my God is something like Quantum Energy then maybe I actually do know my God exists. Although that would have nothing to do with Your God existing.
originally posted by: Belcastro
ive held he same viewpoint as the op until i had a near death experience and encountered my own supernatural experiences and now i believe. actually i wasnt just agnostic, i used to lean more towards aethiesm.
But since agnostic literally means to not know, by definition when it comes to God we are all agnostic.
originally posted by: Parazurvan
a reply to: TheHuxleyAgnostic
I think we just have to try to learn as much as you can and get out. The further back in time something happened the closer to the gods and more mysterious.
It used to be you would have to be someone important to get scripture and not every culture would share their secrets.
When I have doubts I just think of the great pyramid. We could not make that today. That means a secret unknown technology was used. It is older than the Egyptologist are allowed to say and there is an enormous underground complex underneath.
Something exists and I could never not try and figure out what it is.