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originally posted by: SeaWorthy
The guy at NASA uses the term chemtrails so I think people should not keep objecting to that.
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originally posted by: payt69
originally posted by: riley
a reply to: Shiloh7
Yep I reserved judegment, then I saw them three days in a row and they started criss crossing.
I've got a few theories in my head of what they may be doing.
1. They are downplaying climate change and are putting magical chemicals into the ozone layer to heal it.. in conjunction with putting the world's forests back. Shhh it's a surprise.
and unlikely.
2. Hiding the alien star ships because the new and ancient ufo clubs are fighting over who gets chosen to do disclosure and then welcome them.
..and what they will be wearing.
3. Hiding something else.. in which case watch any planetary disaster movies.
4. Trying to effect the whether to influence the stock market.
5. Drugs to make us docile or manic. Make us breed more or breed less. Make us just tired or poisons to make us sick.
6? All of the above.
I keep daring myself to think about it then I just feel this disgust for humanity. Even if they were doing something "innocent" the public should be told.
Oh my. I really hope you're kidding. It's kind of hard to know for sure sometimes, since people actually believe along these lines. You don't really do you?
I have a good imagination and yes that was tongue in cheek.
I do however know that it is not normal "water vapor"
and for the flight patterns to change so drastically they would have had to get permission to do whatever they are doing otherwise we would be seeing planes and helicopter's colliding. There are very specific flight paths they're meant to stick to but that has changed. Two months ago I wouldn't have believed there was something to it except for the same plane doing the same thing periodically and on those days the temperature breaks "hottest day" records. Every single time I have noticed the trails.. and not just fine lines but billowing clouds streaming from horizon to horizon. You do not have to be a pilot to see that it is not just normal water vapor.
At what point is someone a conspiracy theorist and what point are they just noticing the bloody obvious? When you see them yourself with your own eyes you will start questioning as well.
Now it could all be just global warming.. in which case they've been lying about the severity and onset of it and we all should be very worried.
originally posted by: riley
There are very specific flight paths they're meant to stick to but that has changed. Two months ago I wouldn't have believed there was something to it except for the same plane doing the same thing periodically
originally posted by: payt69
I have a good imagination and yes that was tongue in cheek.
Relieved to hear that
I do however know that it is not normal "water vapor"
Oh ok.. care to tell me how you know that? And someone corrected me on the water vapor thing. Indeed it starts out as water vapor as it leaves the exhaust, and it freezes into little ice crystals, which then shows up as a contrail. As this happens, you get a noticable gap between the exhaust and where the contrail forms, which is where the vapor cools down. This is indicative of contrails, not chemicals (other than water) being sprayed.
Well you keep repeating that it can't be, but you haven't explained in technical terms WHY that is the case. Why wouldn't a contrail be able to persist, and stretch from horizon to horizon if the conditions allow this. Haven you ever seen a horizin to horizon cloud cover? Why would a cirrus cloud at the same altitube be able to persist, but not a contrail? They're essentially the same thing after all.
YOu're a conspiracy theorist when you take a phenomenon that has been explained to death by science, ignore this explanation and stick some other outlandish conspiratorial explanation to it for which there is no credible evidence. Do you have any grasp on the conventional explanation at all? On what grounds do you dismiss it? Can we look forward to your paper correcting our current understanding of meteorology and aviation?
Water vapor is not visible. It is invisible. It does not "look like" anything.
..and yet again. I know what water vapor looks like.
But it does tend to mean that they don't have much evidence of their own to offer.
If someone speaks about conspiracy theories that does not automatically mean they are ignoring credible scientific evidence.
Actually, no. It did not start out as a conspiracy theory. There were scientific studies which refuted the claims made by tobacco companies. There were direct correlations seen between people who smoked cigarettes and incidences of lung and heart disease.
If that were the case cigarettes would still not be causing cancer because there were huge amounts of scientific studies saying they didn't.. that started out as a conspiracy theory as well.
originally posted by: Phage
Actually, no. It did not start out as a conspiracy theory. There were scientific studies which refuted the claims made by tobacco companies. There were direct correlations seen between people who smoked cigarettes and incidences of lung and heart disease.
Persistent contrails have been around for a very long time.
In which case we would have to wait a few years if there really was something to chemtrails.
It is not a "chestnut" it is a truism.
If they were designed to do something it would take time for there to be a noticeable correlation.. which could always be dismissed with the old "correlation does not equal causation" chestnut.
Persistent contrails have been around for a very long time. Ever since planes could fly high enough to produce them.
I have noticed the record breaking heat waves but that in itself could be dismissed as coincidence. Heatwaves may even be the reason why they are doing it (if they are indeed doing it).
www.thefreelibrary.com...
The second German sighting occurred on May 9, 1919, when a pilot flying over Berlin at about 26,000 feet noticed the generation of a cloud stream that extended for about forty miles behind his plane. This stream eventually spread out to form a cloud layer that was about 3,000 feet thick. The pilot saw a similar phenomenon two days later.
www.bbc.co.uk... Short contrails do not produce intricate patterns.
A few months later I witnessed the Battle of Britain taking place over my head in the July, August and September 1940. Being in SE London we had a grandstand view of the titanic struggle going on day aftr day with the intricate patterns of the contrails the most evident witness to the dog fights taking place.
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So an airplane at great heights leaves behind it, stretching for endless miles, a visible "wake" composed of ice particles so tiny that they do not fall as snow but remain suspended in the air.
Photo taken by Jerry Cole, combat aerialphotographer in the 390th Bomb Group at Framlingham Air Base in England. He is looking for a print from the original negative he shot around January 1944 or before. It shows contrails of P-47's crossing each other in the background and a B-17 in the foreground.
Daily, for example, hundreds of jet planes crisscross the nation or great parts of it, often leaving fluffy contrails of water vapor, manmade clouds, as a signature of their passage.
Some contrails soon dissapate. Others turn into or are soon followed by high cirruse clouds that can and do influence the earth's heat balance with the sun.
The spreading out of jet contrails into extensive cirrus sheets is a familiar sight. Often, when persistent conditions exist from 25,000 to 40,000ft, several long contrails increase in number and gradually merge into an almost solid interlaced sheet.
Henry Wadsworth Hinkle, hired man down on the farm with Uncle Clarence and Aunt Martha, looked skyward a few days ago and was awed by the multiplicity of "vapor trails," as he called them. That's the old name. Now they are called contrails-short for condensation trails-resulting from the condensation of heat flowing from high-flying jet engines.
Source He didn't follow jets, he followed contrails. You can't follow a short contrail.
A 43-year-old novice sailor said today that he followed jet contrails over the Atlantic to help him navigate after his sextant was smashed six days out of Pymouth, England.
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Then there is the matter of cloudiness. The familiar contrails often left by high-flying planes might persist for a long time under some conditions.
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Often, after several clear days, high flying jets begin leaving condensation trails in the sky. These "contrails" are the result of the condensation of water vapor that accompanies engine combustion at high altitudes.
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He occasionally looked out the window at the earth and noted geographical locations. "We're coming over Europe and I've never seen so many jet plane contrails in my life," he reported
www.pitch.com... Contrails have to be around for a while to be "blown-out".
Shore was no naïf; he recognized the irony of many of his images. One of the cleverest is "U.S. 97, South of Klamath Falls, Oregon, July 21, 1973," which depicts a desolate spot of road where a billboard displays a snowcapped-mountain scene — against actual mountains in the distance. The billboard image seems to emerge from the land itself. Along with a cattle gate and a sky with blown-out contrails, the billboard is a tired and shabby advertisement for America itself.
..and yet again. I know what water vapor looks like.
It is never ever done on cloudy days.. or days where there is even a hint of cloud. That is something else I find strange.
You DO know this is actually a conspiracy site yes? I am trying to discuss this subject. I find it strange that you would try shame people speculating on conspiracy theories in a place that is designed to do exactly that. If someone speaks about conspiracy theories that does not automatically mean they are ignoring credible scientific evidence.
I have no idea if what I saw were contrails or chemtrails
originally posted by: payt69
..and yet again. I know what water vapor looks like.
Well it's invisible. Maybe it helps if you read this to help you understand things a bit better:
en.wikipedia.org...
not only do you insult by ignoring me actually saying I know what water vapor looks like
originally posted by: riley
It is never ever done on cloudy days.. or days where there is even a hint of cloud. That is something else I find strange.