May 13, 2016 completes 99 years since Fatima and starts the 100th year

There is a need of a new approach, not only to Fatima, but also to key religious issues. Rewritten Gospels and so many other things that happened in the uneven history of Christendom.

That's may be why I quoted Star Wars in the OP because they offer an attempt to look at the world from above, with the same categories of good and evil but a new approach of their understanding. The current one is exhausted. We cannot circle anymore in a time closed circle and pretend we know the truth that cannot be anything more than our limited understanding.

We are not told Fatima full story. We are not told Gospel full story. What more we are not told of? Nibiru or aliens, or more?

originally posted by: 2012newstart
There is a need of a new approach, not only to Fatima,

How about not believing made up stories as a new approach?

a reply to: hellobruce

you may believe this is made up story. I have no incentive to start it all from beginning anyway. The question is too big for all people who follow the catholicism, and others who do not but are interested. New approach would be to release more info, not less. Unfortunately, that is not happening. One may wonder do we really need to go straight into the promised punishments in order to get to a new start. Because the new beginning was postponed again and again by people who certainly know why.

Why must we expect fulfillment after 100 years?

Was there any hint that that was when, or is this just your take on it? I'll admit to little knowledge of Fatima.

a reply to: 2012newstart

Have you seen the painting by Sister Lucia of her vision? I posted a link to it at the bottom of page 2. It might be the new information you're looking for?

STM

a reply to: seentoomuch

a famous painting yes!!! Thank you.

I feel uncomfortable when God the Father is painted because He is quite bigger than our paintings anyway, and beyond any of our imagination. Sure not looking the way He is painted, even when the artist is Michelangelo. Th ecreator of heavens and stars cannot be limited like that. But the tradition has it that way. Because we need visual signs of the invisible things. We cannot comprehend God or making Him looking and comparable to us.

Saying that, one cannot but wonder WHY after so many manifestations of God's will, the secret is still a secret (due to be released 1960) and the consecration of Russia is still questionable (Russia was not mentioned by name). What purpose to tell the world God wants it to be done, and not to do it on the side of popes and their bishops, making attempt after attempt that all fail. Is there something we don't know, or I hate to say it, is there really a request from Heaven then?

In another private apparition Lucia received (was it the painted one or another) Jesus compared the situation with that of St Margaret Mary asking the French king to consecrate France to the Sacred Heart of Jesus. After 100 years of failed to do so, the next successor of the French kings were beheaded by the revolutionaries. Jesus sternly warned Lucia (allegedly) that the pope is going to follow the fate of the last French king if he fails to fulfill the requirement.

Since those are private revelations later to Lucia only, and not part of the approved apparitions to the 3 children in Fatima, the Catholic Church did not use its authority to approve them as it did with the original apparitions 1917. For those who do not know yet, the two cousins of Lucia who died as children, are now beatified. That is another stamp by official Rome behind the authenticity of Fatima apparitions 1917.

a reply to: seagull

I say it in OP. It seems from many leaks the original text has a date in it and it either falls within 1 century, r says before the end of century or something like that. John Paul II and Ratzinger expected that to be year 2000. it weren't. Now Benedict said several years ago, the 100th from apparition itself (not the beginning of century) will see the fulfillment as well. Malachi Martin said the same ( he allegedly read the entire text). Others said similar, some already failed by setting sooner dates that already passed (Fr Amorth expected it last year). Moreover there is a prediction of 1 century reign of Satan, made after the vision of Pope Leo XIII. When did that century start and when will finish are questions often seen among conservative catholic groups and their websites. Whatever the truth, it seems we are at the last months without knowing what is the next to come.

I will add, that the consecration of Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary is the second undecided problem in Fatima apparitions (first one being the full 3rd secret). While during Soviet time the Vatican prelates feared possible reaction of Soviet Union (?) as shown by the word of John Paul II in Fulda, such a fear is unfounded in post-cold war time. All Russian presidents visited all the popes during their pontificates. Allegedly, Putin asked Francis for such consecration to be done (according to Fr Kramer who wasn't present at the meeting, no other source supports that leak). Russia adopting Orthodox version of Christianity, grew recent decades in religion unseen after the Tsarist time. One may speculate how much fruitful were the 1984 consecration of John Paul II of the "world" and those nations "most in need" without mentioning explicitly Russia though.

The entire new viewpoint of Fatima is needed. Release of all texts and visions that are surely well kept in Catholic archives. Some rumors have said Jacinta the girl had received two secrets additionally, one of the heaven and another one of the earth, and the second one looked like the end of the world. Allegedly, the words were recorded at her deadbed by her caretaker Mother Godinho who later sent them to the pope. Unfortunately, we do not have the copied letter of Godinho, and that is spread by sites dedicated to other separate alleged apparition sites. So we got the problem of the messenger instead of the message. I guess more transparency of all that will be only of a help.

a reply to: 2012newstart

So you did. Sorry. For some reason blew right by that...

a reply to: seagull

The more intriguing will be the non-fulfillment though. The modern Marian apparitions started in 19th century when the Catholic Church had already lost the political and other power in secular Europe. They became the main motivation of small groups of core believers in the Church communities while the latter grew exceedingly secular in the same time. Fatima is not the only accepted apparition, may be the most sanctioned apparition by the Catholic Church after Lourdes.

If that all fails, if after 2 centuries of expectations (or even more) all those promises of chastisement followed by new era simply do not occur, we have to reassess the entire timeline of future history presented by those apparitions.

Let say, tomorrow we have not the predicted events, but instead UFO Disclosure. Mrs Clinton already speaks of disclosing X-files if elected. Of course that is a process involving not only one person, not even one president of the USA or the UN. The society should be mature enough in first place. But,...what happens if tomorrow we don't have any of the promises of HUNDREDS of apparitions, and instead we have a new reality about Aliens, or super tech, or biological-medical breakthru to allow us live 200 years long? That is not impossible, taking into account the cosmic rate of cutting edge development we are witnessing even today.

That will be catastrophe for the current mainstream paradigm of churches in first place. Books will be opened that were banned as heretical or forgery. Major questions, such as where the Heaven is located among the stars, will be discussed publicly. Not so much responsibility for past eras, why the churches didn't do so earlier if they knew it. Still one would like to see major questions answered at least now, if one has spent most of his/her life awaiting empty promises by church ministers.

I don't know whether that scenario will unfold, or whether we will have fulfillment of 2 centuries old (and more) prophecies. I'd prefer the fulfillment scenario. And it may happen in a way not exactly expected by the faithful. Notice the existence of secrets in every major apparitions. The faithful christians were never fully ready to grasp the heavenly message, therefore the use of secrets. Perhaps because the message in its fullness is quite above the current level of understanding of religious truths.

according to those who have read the 3rd secret, there is a date in it. Neues Europa text says "in the second half of the century". As we know also, Neues Europa magazine publication is close enough but not identical with the real 3rd secret. Perhaps the date was indeed before the end of 20th century. That gave enough reason to John Paul II and card. Ratzinger to say in year 2000 the secret was fulfilled, and to publish the vision of Lucia that is separate from July 1917 text.

That is already a failure that continues 16 years. Now Benedict (card. Ratzinger) comes with a new view on that all, saying in his visit in Fatima, that the 100th anniversary will see it fulfilled. Malachi Martin and Amorth play according to that notion, that the date whatever it is, is not in late 20th century but within a century of the apparitions themselves. Is that the true case though?

Failed once, it can fail again. Or, we were never told the truth, not even to those insiders who were shown a piece of paper pretending to be the real secret. What if it was not the real one?

If the date in the original text was, let say, Oct 13, 1993, as some reprints of Neues Europa point to that year at least,after that date there is no reason for the Vatican to want to release a failed prophecy. Because it already stamped it as true.

But then, are we talking of someone else appearing as Virgin Mary, not only in Fatima but also elsewhere? Are we talking of exchanged truth of End times, to be offered to unsuspicious devote part of the churches? And if yes, why? Is there some truth that will make irrelevant any further allegiance by the faithful if they would've known it?

Extra-earth dimension of the world we are living in, may be? Jesus going to another planet, and church built up there, too? Devote extraterrestrials who didn't sin original sin, as we did? (as St Padre Pio said). What is it that is still kept secret after 2000 years unsuccessful experiment called Christianity?

this week with a Friday 13th tomorrow, passed without major events...actually two very big events passed by unnoticed. Kepler space telescope announced the largest yet discover of new planets, 1284 confirmed and a thousand more yet to be confirmed, with a dozen of them being earth type. A second news that is no more a real news, that Hilary Clinton will declassify those X files that do not endanger the national security. Combined, those two news could change the life on earth as we know it. Of course we need a hyperdrive from Star Wars or Star Trek, or Stargate from SG serials. But, if They exist they may provide us with the technical devices.

Is that a part of the so jealously kept Fatima secret? Or part of any other Gospel yet to be made known? The nay sayers will say quickly, it is not that one, it is sci fi, BS etc. But frankly there is nothing more to be remaining secret in the information age. Only that topic alone is not discussed officially, until now. I don't see any point of keeping it secret anymore, if one of the US presidential hopefuls openly talks about it, and the leading space agency keep filing planets. It is a time to know the truth for the world we are living in. We don't need another distractor, such as regional war, to postpone it once more, as it repeatedly happened.

Now we are formally into the 100th year from the apparitions!

Let go thru the most famous pieces of leaks, although they do not represent the 3rd secret in its entirety.

John Paul 2 in Fulda Germany, 1980

"if there is a message in which it is written that the oceans will flood whole areas of the earth, and that from one moment to the next millions of people will perish, truly the publication of such a message is no longer something to be so much desired."

Neues Europa, 1963

""‘The greatest World War will happen in the second half of the 20th Century. Then fire and smoke will fall from the sky, and the waters of the oceans will be turned to steam, hurling their foam towards the sky; and all that is standing will be cast down. Millions and millions of men will lose their lives from one hour to the next, and those who remain living will envy those who are dead. There will be tribulation as far as the eye can see, and misery all over the earth and desolation in every country."


The apparent non-event in late 20th century made both John Paul II and card Ratzinger believe the secret was fulfilled, or cancelled. Although WW3 might have been cancelled, it cannot be assumed the same for a celestial event that does not depend on people's conversion. Fire from heaven (or sky, the same word in Latin languages) is a phrase used by another apparition approved by the Catholic Church, in Akita Japan.

Furthermore, Fatima and Akita, both approved apparitions, do not speak of any Warning before those events. Instead, THEY are the warning given to humankind!

Following "apparitions" speculate wide on a preceding event called "great warning" followed by a "miracle" both to precede the "chastisement". That sequence is NOT according to Fatima, not mentioned in Akita either! If there would be a further Warning before the event of fire, probably Our Lady would have communicated it in the biggest apparition of 20th century.

IF Great Warning should occur before the Chastisement, according to Garabandal script, it should have occurred by now. The Miracle date should have happened only in the Mid April. Such did not happen so far, and that cancels the possibility of such event before the 100th anniversary of Fatima. If we are to believe that both Chastisement of fire and fulfillment of the entire Fatima secrets including the final Triumph of Mary, are to occur before the 100th anniversary (at latest October 13, 2017).

The apparent contradictions between apparitions lead to the question which one of them is false and which one is true. I tend to believe that Our Lady didn't lie in the apparition that produced the Sun Miracle before 70,000 unbiased spectators on October 13, 1917. Such miracles announced in advance are never reported from other apparition sites that pretend to be "successors" of Fatima.

People who do not strongly believe in all that but rather seek the information, may ask, what is the difference? What problem if a new apparition rises? There is no problem with a real apparition (as some approved ones in Brazil and Argentine). There is a problem in false apparition. Someone pretends Virgin Mary in a manner so strong that the seers are absolutely sure Mary appears to them (not having any chance to compare what other private seers actually see, because we are not talking of public apparitions such as in Cairo). How about ET with highly advanced capabilities to pretend Virgin Mary in not just few instances, in order to get their agenda into the hearts and minds of true believers. It may sound shocking for the believer, but we have to be open for that possibility too. Because we will have very limited time in the crucial 2 week pre-event warning from civil authorities (if celestial body is coming, etc). If in such moment a leading apparition says, stay where you are and pray God to forgive your countless sins, instead to say: run for your lives and the lives of your loved ones? The difference between the two commands both pretending to come from heaven in a crucial moment, means tens of millions alive or dead, if not more.

Taking into account the believers in apparitions are usually the strongest cores of church communities, you have them either inside the rescue mission, or outside it, thanks to ET posing as Mary. It is a pity the believers are still not up to their duties to start reasoning that the countless worlds in the stars have countless people, some of them pretty close to our own. A Public Contact especially if it is joined by a Rescue Mission from let say, imminent celestial cataclysm, would make many of those millions wonder do they actually choose what Jesus would have chosen, or if they choose the "antichrist" in their eyes. So practically all those strong believers who do not accept other view than their own, may not be present at the new earth I hope their children would be, thanks to issues between generations, and also thanks to almost perfect secular move to explain in better language what it is to visit another planet (ref. Star Wars Rebels Serial the latest of the saga).

In a new breakthrough interview a pries friend of cardinal Ratzinger releases personal talk between them in 2000:

Cardinal Ratzinger: We Have Not Published the Whole Third Secret of Fatima www.onepeterfive.com...

Today, on the Feast of Pentecost, I called Fr. Ingo Dollinger, a German priest and former professor of theology in Brasil, who is now quite elderly and physically weak. He has been a personal friend of Pope Emeritus Benedict XVI for many years. Father Dollinger unexpectedly confirmed over the phone the following facts:

Not long after the June 2000 publication of the Third Secret of Fatima by the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger told Fr. Dollinger during an in-person conversation that there is still a part of the Third Secret that they have not published!

“There is more than what we published,” Ratzinger said. He also told Dollinger that the published part of the Secret is authentic and that the unpublished part of the Secret speaks about “a bad council and a bad Mass” that was to come in the near future.

Pope Benedict publicly declared in 2010 in Fatima: “We would be mistaken to think that Fatima’s prophetic mission is complete.”

He also added these words in an interview during his airplane flight to Fatima:

As for the new things which we can find in this message today, there is also the fact that attacks on the Pope and the Church come not only from without, but the sufferings of the Church come precisely from within the Church, from the sin existing within the Church. This too is something that we have always known, but today we are seeing it in a really terrifying way: that the greatest persecution of the Church comes not from her enemies without, but arises from sin within the Church, and that the Church thus has a deep need to re-learn penance, to accept purification, to learn forgiveness on the one hand, but also the need for justice.

...to that excellent new information that not only clarifies past releases (such as the y2000 official vision of Lucy) but also gives hints at what is still pending its publication, one can add the already published memories of Sr Lucy's nuns about a dramatic earth change that is called today a pole shift. The events inside the Church represent one part of the warning of the Blessed Mother, the other part being cataclysms that will befall the entire planet.

Most likely, there are more data, that may also include miraculous supernatural (or extraterrestrial) way out of the chastisement. Because frankly, if what Neues Europa is so close to the real text, according to Card. Ottaviani (ex-prefect of the same office card.Ratzinger took for long in Vatican), then we have litte chance of mere survival, let alone preserving christian and cultural civilization. Continents will shake, the face of the earth will change. For what era of peace we are going to talk after that, if we wouldn't be able to restore any nearness to the way of life we enjoy today, in the first months, years or even centuries? We will be starting from scratch. Even if helped by extraterrestrials. To remain on the surface of planet Earth, we practically have to move to live inside ET spaceships or base camps, or underground cities. Is that the era of peace or its first 100 years?

Does it mean the era of peace is to be granted to humankind but not on planet earth but on the place of rescue, likely to be another habitable planet, until planet earth is restored to life habitable for humans? It is easy to say "God will fix everything in a moment". It is difficult to imagine how that will happen in real terms, with all industry, all supply chains, grid, communications, transport laid burned after the waters recede and fires die off naturally when they wouldn't have what to consume more. Whether the punishment envisioned in Secret 2 (entire nations will be annihilated) or leaked in texts like Neues Europa, will be man made or natural, the practical difference is very little. Unfortunately, today the humanity possess destructive means to put an end of the civilized life or even the entire biological life on the planet, comparable to sci-fi movies that show planets destroyed in a single blow from superweapons or from their exploding stars. We should not take that information lightly.

We just got a tremendous development with Francis compared Jesus' mandate to His disciples to spread the Gospel, to the Islamic and ISIS conquest... www.abovetopsecret.com...
Whether he really meant it or not, whether it was just some word as that of Benedict about the Muslims in history, I don't know. What I know is we have to review all recent events in that new light. After all, our allegiance first and foremost is to Jesus who commanded his disciples, not vice versus, to someone who judges what Jesus did, was it right or wrong.

If I had the chance I would rewrite all my posts regarding the pope and the papacy. Because as of today, they are desperately outdated, one sided and after all, wrong. As you know, the forum doesn't provide an option to edit old posts. So I am sorry if anyone was misled by them.

What we have now, may or may not turn to be the real final end times. But it will never be the same, as some of us dreamed of an Era of Peace to come to Earth in Year 2000 or anytime. May be Malachi said it with weaker and shorter words than it will be in reality. Only time will tell. Be ready for everything from now on!

I believe FR Malachi Martin said the event that everyone would notice and experience would occur by 2016-2017. If it does not happen, we'll know then the girls at Fatima were either duping everyone, or they got carried away by the religious hysteria?

Few years ago i would have said no nothing will happen in 2017, but with the crazy American election i not so sure 2017 will be a stable period internationally.

a reply to: kieran1

Vatican just denounced revelations of a friend of Benedict-Ratzinger, professor fr Ingo Dollinger fatimaperspectives.com... The letter of the Vatican is unsigned, anonymous. Other strange things are noticed in the link commentary.

That final touch on Fatima gate could only increase the suspicions. No one of those who research the issue for DECADES would be convinced by such action of the Vatican, after proven lies. I will not go on and on to repeat the words of John Paul II in Fulda. They speak volumes way beyond of the interpretation "planet X is coming and they don't tell us".

Malachi Martin is a resource not fully exploited until now. Still he says important piece of the truth, but only a piece. I am critical on his other words (expressed in my other treads). He might be right in his last interviews 1997-98 about the timing of 20 years (2017), about Russia and Kiev as chosen by God to deliver salvation, or about the Vatican observatory in Arizona that is built to monitor something "they know is coming". However he might not be right about many other things, because after all he was a low level cleric at the Vatican and knew only things he was intentionally exposed to by his masters.

I will ask again the rhetorical question: what could be still a secret to be kept secret in 21st century when we are told of EVERYTHING both lies and truths on internet?

Philippine apparition in 1940s that calls Mary "mediatrix of all graces", reveals deep rift between cardinals and bishops. It happens in the weeks after two independent apparitions in Argentina and Brazil were approved by their local Cathoic bishps. It also put questions, who is infallible in that matter, the bishop, the cardinal, the pope, or none of them? Because the Catholics are not obliged to believe even the fully approved apparitions such as Fatima.

Archbishop Takes Sharp Issue With Vatican Over Lipa


spiritdaily.com...


The archbishop who last year approved apparitions of Mary in the Filipino area known as Lipa to a Carmelite nun in the 1940s -- an approval that has now been "nullified" by a Vatican Congregation -- told Spirit Daily Monday (6/7/16) that he maintains belief in the apparitions, has a personal devotion to it, has had no direct communication with the Cardinal, Gerhard Muller, prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, who nixed it, and may appeal directly to the Pope, whom he does not believe is aware of Cardinal Muller's action.


The archbishop, Ramon C. Arguelles of Lipa [left], had declared the apparitions "worthy of belief" on September 12, 2015, and stated that the events were indeed supernatural, strongly encouraging devotion to "Our Lady, Mediatrix of Grace," as she called herself there. As we reported at the time, "Unless overturned by Rome, the apparition is thus 'Church-approved.'"

What I am concerned most, is the possibility some of the "apparitions" not necessarily these 3, to turn against the Extraterrestrials the day they manifest in public contact, as being "demons". Whether the ET would look like dinosaurs, like Grey, or like Nordic (i.e. angelic looking face according to what we were told of angels) they still could be accused of manifestations of the devil under disguise (ref. Paul). That approach, already present in leading conservative Catholic outlets, puts in danger any attempt of God and His angels to intervene on Earth. It also negates the omnipotence of God who created multi-trillions stars and planets, to be "allowed" to create life elsewhere. It puts in doubt not only what Ezekiel saw, but also what Abraham heard to slaughter his son...In other words, not accepting the truth of the wider world, puts in doubt the essence of the Bible that is a collection of extra- terrestrial messages from heavenly hosts to earth recipients.

To top all of that, many people have their private conversation with Jesus, Mary, saints, and also angels (ET). Pope Francis already said he himself had such and it is not exclusive privilege for an apparition to give messages like "postmaster" because God can give it to everyone.

So it seems we enter into a new era where local bishops practically oppose Vatican hierarchy on the matter, appealing directly to the pope. I can't comprehend how the Argentinian apparition near Buenos Aires, was approved at once by the local bishop, while the archbishop on the area for long years was exactly cardinal Bergoglio. Didn't he know of that, did he tell the bishop to approve it now, or what? At least other two Argentinian alleged apparitions are not approved.

That celestial object run amok upon our solar system. It's in mother shipton's texts, be them from mother shipton or not. The Kolbrin Bible I believe speaks of the same thing. Sara Hoffman's and Lou Famoso's NDE's speak of a large celestial object putting the hammer down on us. I even have my own "personal" experiences, visions, etc.

You published the Fulda text before I had a chance. Below is the account I have saved offline in case it disappears.


Pope John Paul II in Fulda, Germany (1980)

The October 1981 issue of the German magazine Stimme des Glaubens reported on a discussion that Pope John Paul II had with a select group of German Catholics, in November of 1980. The following is a verbatim report of the discussion:1

Text of the Published Report

The Holy Father was asked, "What about the Third Secret of Fatima? Should it not have already been published by 1960?"

Pope John Paul II replied: "Given the seriousness of the contents, my predecessors in the Petrine office diplomatically preferred to postpone publication so as not to encourage the world power of Communism to make certain moves.

"On the other hand, it should be sufficient for all Christians to know this: if there is a message in which it is written that the oceans will flood whole areas of the earth, and that from one moment to the next millions of people will perish, truly the publication of such a message is no longer something to be so much desired."

The Pope continued: "Many wish to know simply from curiosity and a taste for the sensational, but they forget that knowledge also implies responsibility. They only seek the satisfaction of their curiosity, and that is dangerous if at the same time they are not disposed to do something, and if they are convinced that it is impossible to do anything against evil."

At this point the Pope grasped a Rosary and said: "Here is the remedy against this evil. Pray, pray, and ask for nothing more. Leave everything else to the Mother of God."

The Holy Father was then asked: "What is going to happen to the Church?"

He answered: "We must prepare ourselves to suffer great trials before long, such as will demand of us a disposition to give up even life, and a total dedication to Christ and for Christ … With your and my prayer it is possible to mitigate this tribulation, but it is no longer possible to avert it, because only thus can the Church be effectively renewed. How many times has the renewal of the Church sprung from blood! This time, too, it will not be otherwise. We must be strong and prepared, and trust in Christ and His Mother, and be very, very assiduous in praying the Rosary."

I don't get why people think Russia was consecrated. Do we care if a politician says something nobody believes in? Why would it matter if a man of religion said he consecrated Russia when people of that nation did not feel it in their heart. This would not change anything. The only thing that would matter is the belief and conversion of the people.

So many people think that going to church is being Godly. A thing lost on me. Christ, as have many, goes and tells people to believe in his words and do good to one another believing in love and truth. Not to put him on a pedestal. What do the people do? They make themselves another religion. A hierarchy of power in which all manner of thieves can partake. All they needed to do was to be the good Samaritan, to be their brother's keeper. No building or organized religion is needed for this.

The people think themselves Gods. They see their right to judge all. Being in truth cruel and selfish they have put themselves on the other end of the spectrum. But still they think themselves righteous. Whom has faith? Not faith as in a book but faith as in what is written on the heart. Here we have a world that has evaluated a lie and loved it. Taken the lie into their heart and nourished it.

This is a thing that God must put straight for man has no faith in what was written in him.