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Trumps Nod shows majority of Americans have no understanding of politics

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posted on May, 4 2016 @ 12:28 PM
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I am not trying to say that Donald Trump does not have the right to run for President of the United States, but I will contend that he represents the greatest threat to the government since 1859.

Plato outlined in his The Republic the inherent flaws of a direct democracy. The majority is not perfect and can be wrong in its opinions thus, rule by the majority which is rule by direct democracy is only as strong and intelligent as the majority’s leaders tend to be. Andrew Sullivan wrote about this recently saying,




What did Plato mean by that? Democracy, for him, I discovered, was a political system of maximal freedom and equality, where every lifestyle is allowed and public offices are filled by a lottery. And the longer a democracy lasted, Plato argued, the more democratic it would become. Its freedoms would multiply; its equality spread. Deference to any sort of authority would wither; tolerance of any kind of inequality would come under intense threat, and multiculturalism and sexual freedom would create a city or a country like “a many-colored cloak decorated in all hues.”
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James Madison, the key writer of the Constitution of the United States, knew his Plato well and that is why he established a republic to safeguard against the tyranny of the masses, and Donald Trump represents the greatest threat to the destruction of the republic. For now we have,




The very rich come under attack, as inequality becomes increasingly intolerable. Patriarchy is also dismantled: “We almost forgot to mention the extent of the law of equality and of freedom in the relations of women with men and men with women.” Family hierarchies are inverted: “A father habituates himself to be like his child and fear his sons, and a son habituates himself to be like his father and to have no shame before or fear of his parents.” In classrooms, “as the teacher ... is frightened of the pupils and fawns on them, so the students make light of their teachers.” Animals are regarded as equal to humans; the rich mingle freely with the poor in the streets and try to blend in. The foreigner is equal to the citizen. And it is when a democracy has ripened as fully as this, Plato argues, that a would-be tyrant will often seize his moment.
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The irony of the situation is that he is doing this as a republican, a party founded to secure the Union against the tyranny of the masses that had established itself in the American antebellum south. Now the party feeds off the extremist populist movements that have arisen out of the hyper-media age. A good republican should attempt to save the values of the republic against the tyranny of the masses, especially when the masses have become uneducated and angry.

A direct democracy is an illusion in America anyway, for the real system is democratic capitalism, which is a political system in which the theory of justice the economically strongest have the loudest voices when it comes to voting on the distribution of privileges and punishments. A vote for trump is a vote to solidify this system and style of government, one that would have Abraham Lincoln spinning in his grave.

The top 1% hold too much power, and it will take honest hard working Republicans and Democrats uniting against the top 1% by making laws that limit lobbyists spending and take away the power of corporations. But will this ever happen? I am not going to hold my breath.





posted on May, 4 2016 @ 12:31 PM
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Interesting points. I can only say that it is actually the .1% we should be worried about. They own Trump 100 times over.


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posted on May, 4 2016 @ 12:34 PM
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Go TRUMP! Maybe a Ron Paul VP ??? That would be swell. Hillary is toast, she gets Berned by the Bern! Hopefully it will be Sanders vs Trump in the heavyweight championship face off for the belt! Either one of the two I can live with.


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posted on May, 4 2016 @ 12:37 PM
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a reply to: hubrisinxs

I disagree with your premise.

The American people understand American politics only too well and that is why you have Trump. They are sick and tired of the Establishment candidates and when both Republicans, Democrats and the MSM united in their dislike of Trump the people recognized a chance to change things up in Washington.



posted on May, 4 2016 @ 12:46 PM
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a reply to: SmurfRider

Good point. Marx shows that the gap will only get wider as the net that is capitalism gets bigger.



posted on May, 4 2016 @ 12:50 PM
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a reply to: Metallicus

Being tired of establishment candidates that are bought by those who control large sums of money is not the same as having and understanding of political systems.

The populist media, that is social media, adores trump. MSM is dead, check your facebook. That's how Obama won, that is how Trump will do it. Cause people want sound bits not long wind speeches on theory.



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posted on May, 4 2016 @ 12:52 PM
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originally posted by: Metallicus
a reply to: hubrisinxs

I disagree with your premise.

The American people understand American politics only too well and that is why you have Trump. They are sick and tired of the Establishment candidates and when both Republicans, Democrats and the MSM united in their dislike of Trump the people recognized a chance to change things up in Washington.


Exactly. It's the OP who does not understand politics, Plato notwithstanding. That's erudite crap. "Politics" is what just happened. Not only did the people say they want something other than what we have, they also said they didn't want an evangelical running things either. Hence: Trump.



posted on May, 4 2016 @ 12:53 PM
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...check your facebook.


I actually don't have a Facebook account, but I get the gist of what you are saying. I still don't agree with your premise, but I appreciate your post.



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posted on May, 4 2016 @ 12:57 PM
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I think the fact that you assume everyone must be a low information voter because Trump is winning GOP Primaries shows a very greater-than-thou attitude and quite a bit of hubris.

Everything in your Plato quote sounds terrible and true to modern day. I am all for someone coming in and putting a stop to:

"Family hierarchies are inverted: “A father habituates himself to be like his child and fear his sons, and a son habituates himself to be like his father and to have no shame before or fear of his parents.”

In classrooms, “as the teacher ... is frightened of the pupils and fawns on them, so the students make light of their teachers.”

The foreigner is equal to the citizen. "





posted on May, 4 2016 @ 12:58 PM
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originally posted by: Metallicus
a reply to: hubrisinxs

I disagree with your premise.

The American people understand American politics only too well and that is why you have Trump. They are sick and tired of the Establishment candidates and when both Republicans, Democrats and the MSM united in their dislike of Trump the people recognized a chance to change things up in Washington.


I disagree

If the people actually understood American politics they wouldn't support the two party red and blue system.

Most of them do not understand it only takes 5% of the vote to break the two party stalemate.



posted on May, 4 2016 @ 12:59 PM
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originally posted by: hubrisinxs
a reply to: Metallicus

Being tired of establishment candidates that are bought by those who control large sums of money is not the same as having and understanding of political systems.


People who fancy themselves having AN understanding of political systems have given us volumes of detailed gibberish on Marxism, only to have their systems implemented by killing millions of people, e.g.: Soviet Russia, Communist China, etc. to get their superior ideas implemented. Having a disdain for ordinary people is part of what this is about. People already have a deep understanding of the political system: It is failing them and they understand that.

"An excess of hubris is the chassis of genesis."



posted on May, 4 2016 @ 01:00 PM
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a reply to: hubrisinxs

Representative Republic.

Not a direct democracy.

Nation of laws.

Dont want 2 wolves and 1 sheep voting on whats for dinner and all that.

Dont worry, the electoral college technically chooses the winner anyway.

edit on 4-5-2016 by gladtobehere because: wording



posted on May, 4 2016 @ 01:03 PM
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Maybe most Americans don't understand the workings of politics, however you have to hand it to the brainwashing capabilities of the MSM and their owners, it's like "here, watch these rich retards campaigning to rule your sorry asses, while we maintain the real control, regardless of which retard you like".

Trump is part of the problem, the real problem is the whole system



posted on May, 4 2016 @ 01:03 PM
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Trump scares the crap out of most Americans who vote. But the majority of those who vote Republican have had enough of things as they have been. The system in place, was used to prove that.

It's going to be some frightening times ahead. Maybe good, maybe not, but different for certain. The people spoke and were heard for once. It's just a shame we weren't offered a better selection to chose from. This has to be one of the worst groups of candidates we have ever seen on either side. When you are an American and a republican and you look at an admitted socialist as even a possibility, you really need to re-evaluate the whole thing.

At this point, blindfold me, put one in the chamber, spin it, and let's play.



posted on May, 4 2016 @ 01:07 PM
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originally posted by: Metallicus
a reply to: hubrisinxs
The American people understand American politics only too well and that is why you have Trump. They are sick and tired of the Establishment candidates and when both Republicans, Democrats and the MSM united in their dislike of Trump the people recognized a chance to change things up in Washington.


By electing a populist silver-spoon-fed buffoon who has no plan, no policies, no experience, no tact…he just says some 2nd grade reading level gibberish that gets all the xenophobes and angry old geezers fired up.

The “Trump is so popular because he’s anti-establishment” rhetoric is a weak cop out. 4 years ago Ron Paul was as anti-establishment as you can get, except he actually understood politics, and where was his popularity?

Ron Paul went nowhere because he forgot to tap in to the conservative zeitgeist by not being a loudmouth, boorish, xenophobic clown.

The OP is spot on.


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posted on May, 4 2016 @ 01:11 PM
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IMO Trumps nod shows that the US political establishment has no understanding of reality.


A good republican should attempt to save the values of the republic against the tyranny of the masses, especially when the masses have become uneducated and angry.


No - not the tyranny of the masses because it's not tyranny when it's righteous anger - Trumps success is merely a reflection of the feelings of the nation (majority of taxpayers and citizens).

Abraham Lincoln expressed it best when he said "the people — are the rightful masters of both Congresses, and courts — not to overthrow the Constitution, but to overthrow the men who pervert it"

Here are 2 more quotes from Plato.......

“In politics we presume that everyone who knows how to get votes knows how to administer a city or a state. When we are ill... we do not ask for the handsomest physician, or the most eloquent one.”
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“Those who are able to see beyond the shadows and lies of their culture will never be understood, let alone believed, by the masses.”



posted on May, 4 2016 @ 01:16 PM
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a reply to: mc_squared

Really, and what choices were the American people offered? They did the best the could with the garbage they were offered. It is called garbage in garbage out...you can't make chicken salad from chicken crap.

The people did a remarkable job of rejecting the mainstream candidates. The Republican voters did the best with what they have and the Democrats almost did the same with Bernie over Hilary.

Which of these clowns do you support exactly? Sure you can vote for some obscure 3rd party candidate, but that won't do anything, but make you feel superior to the unwashed masses.



posted on May, 4 2016 @ 01:21 PM
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a reply to: Metallicus

What choices did they have?



But again, he wasted time talking about real issues and what was ACTUALLY wrong with the establishment, instead of self-promoting endlessly and reassuring Americans how "yuge" his dick was.



posted on May, 4 2016 @ 01:23 PM
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a reply to: mc_squared

The MSM killed Ron Paul's chances. the "Establishment" didn't want him and were afraid of him. Trump was ignored by that same machine as he wasn't seen as anything more than a joke. The people, for whatever reason, have latched on to Trump. Like it or not, the numbers don't lie.



posted on May, 4 2016 @ 01:27 PM
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a reply to: hubrisinxsactually the Obama Nod and 8 years showed those who voted for obama that they had no understanding of politics.



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