originally posted by: LittleByLittle
a reply to: namelesss
Judging falsely is subjective view without measuring from my point of view.
'Judging' at all, is subjective.
All that is Known is subjectively Known.
And as far as 'judging falsely', the tighter the boundaries, the greater the limitations, the more that you can 'judge truly/falsely'!
For instance there can be a 'winner' and a 'loser', according to 'judges', on a philosophical debate due to the tight and rigorous restrictions of
acceptable debate, of logical fallacies, scientific data, semantics, etc...
Without the limitations, there can be no 'winner', no 'loser', in a debate.
All Perspectives, ultimately (without (artificial) limitations), are 'correct'.
For us to 'ultimately' 'judge' someone as 'good' or 'evil' (for instance), we'd have to be able to take their entire lives, every action, and relate
it to the entire Universe, for the entirety of it's existence!
Considering our natural limitations of Perspective, we cannot possibly ever judge anything 'fairly', because we can never Know all the ramifications
of that of which we know so little.
We 'judge' from vanity and ignorance.
I can take a piece of spoiled meat and evaluate it as inedible by a human, and within the strict dietary laws, that meat can be considered 'bad'.
But that convenient local label vanishes when we move beyond the strict 'local' laws!
That meat might just be seen as 'good' when it hits the compost heap!
"The mark of your ignorance is the depth of your belief in injustice and tragedy. What the caterpillar calls the end of the world, the master calls a
butterfly." --Richard Bach
Absolute tolerance lead to intolerance since tolerance for intolerance let the intolerance spread.
Alright... Lets be intolerant of the intolerant!
What do you suggest?
Burning at the stake as a warning to other intolerant people?
Who'll burn me?
Perhaps brainwashing them? Propagandizing them?
Fitting them with a shock collar and zapping the Hell right out of them?
What are YOU intolerant of?
Again, what do YOU suggest that be 'done about' the intolerant?
It seems to me that YOU are spreading the 'intolerance'!
See how that works?
This is exact manifestation of the stolen Fruit of the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil (Sin of Pride/judgment) in the Garden!
The illusion of understanding objective good and evil without measuring. Measuring is the ultimate way to remove pride. Only the measuring is
Schizophrenia is the fragmentation of that which is One!
The 'thoughts/imagination' is ALL about 'duality', the distinctions between (an apparent) 'this' and (an apparent) 'that'!
Reality transcends the 'conditional/limited', the 'apparently dual', and ultimately, is completely 'tolerant' of all it's/Our features.
Reality/Truth is One!
As are We!
Love does not judge!
Simple as that.
Unconditional Love does not 'judge'.
That is what 'Xtians' are 'supposed to be about', according to Jesus!
"Just as I am!"
Even for intolerant, juvenile, obnoxious hateful people.
Unconditional Love = God = Heaven! Here! Now!
Anything else = sin = insanity = Hell!
All areas of health; mental, emotional, physical, spiritual... are based on the ability to Love!
The vain act of judgment blinds you to unconditional Love, hence the 'sin' label.
All judgment is Self judgment!
Subjective pride/view cannot survive when always assaulted by "what is". Awareness transforms the subjective removing the misconceptions one by
Even if you cannot reach perfect "what is" that includes all the subjective false views of what is, there is still something to gain from seeking
There are no 'false views' of what is.
That is schizophrenic and ignorance!
There is One (unchanging, ALL inclusive) Universal Reality!
One Reality to be experienced/perceived by each and every unique Perspective!
There is not anything else to perceive then That Which Is!
You are drowning in your own 'duality', 'ego' (thought/imagination = ego)!
'Perfect' is what is!!!
The only definition of Perfection must be the Universe in Our entirety!
Thus all is Perfection every unique moment of Universal existence!
Anything else merely exhibits your own personal 'limitations'.
And to 'judge' Perfection/God seems a rather vain, Prideful thing to do, no?
Or are Nakak, Buddha, Rumi and Yeshua causing the same fruits as the duality driven Paul and Muhammad and Hitler?
Sorry, I haven't sufficient information to judge.
As far as I am concerned, all are worthy of Love!
Hence the term; unconditional. No conditions. Not just people who play nicely, or are black, or whatever insane limitations you want to place on
'others' so you don't have to Love...
For moral relativism no suffering and max suffering becomes equal behavior. I would regard that as pure insanity cause by fear of being wrong,
thinking it is morally superior to be tolerant of all insanity (pride strikes again).
Let's say, for a moment, that 'morality' is not total sinsanity; it is completely 'relative', even simply in it's duality definition, it can only be
'morality' RELATIVE to 'immorality', for instance. It can only be 'morality' relative to the apple, that it is 'not'. this, not that... this, not
that... and on ad-infinitum!
1+1+1+1+1+1 ... = 1
There is a price in suffering in creation for doing all actions even doing seamlessly nothing.
If you are talking about 'Karma', I do not necessarily hang with the childish notion of action and punishment.
Suffering, if not 'judged' ignorantly, is not 'bad', is not 'evil', is not 'wrong', other than in the vanity of your judgmental imagination/ego!
Actually, suffering is rather a necessity to ever become fully human, and more!
“Suffering is a gift. In it is hidden mercy.”
“The wound is the place where the Light enters you.”
"I say that next to God there is no nobler thing than suffering. Right suffering is the mother of all virtues, for right suffering so subdues the
heart, it cannot rise to pride but perforce is lowly." - Meister Eckhart
"Harkee, all rational souls! The swiftest steed to bear you to your goal is suffering; none shall ever taste eternal bliss but those who stand with
Christ in depths of bitterness. Nothing is more gall-bitter than suffering, nothing so honey-sweet as to have suffered. The most sure foundation for
this perfection is humility, for he whose nature here creeps in deepest depths shall soar in spirit to highest height of Deity.' - Meister Eckhart
"The growth of the soul in man is as that of a pearl in an oyster, both being caused by irritation." - Plato
Pain and Blessing/Bliss are One Reality!
The only difference is a matter of Perspective!
"The immature run from Pain, the Wise find the Blessing within!" - n
"Only a Breaking Heart can Love!" - n
Sometimes it is wise to tolerate some insane behavior
Since you mention 'wisdom' is 'action', I do have to point out that we have no 'free-will', we make no 'choices' (yes, we think/imagine and 'feel'
that we do, but that's ego), but who and what we are manifests, uniquely, every moment.
Sometimes I save the little girl, sometimes I keep walking.
It's not up to me.
Ignorance judges me...