Cruz - Out! See ya!!!

a reply to: yuppa
Unless they pull something to take the country by surprise and force it to be a contested convention.

So that is Trump, now to see what happens.

originally posted by: Swills
a reply to: EmmanuelGoldstein

And he just announced oh whats her name as his VP! Then she fell off the stage announcing him to a rally! So embarrassing!

May he never run again and soon leaves politics altogether. Now the clown show that is the GOP will fall apart under a Trump reign.

Unless, the RNC plays its game and nominates Kacish! LMAO! Why hasn't he dropped out?

Why is it that the GOP is the Clown show? When the best the democrats can put forward is a career criminal with scandal after scandal, and the other a Communist?

Who's really running a # show, honestly?

a reply to: BuzzyWigs

In many respects you're quite correct, I like your comment, but realistically speaking, US Americans are never going to be "cooperative", they're never going to be less materialistic, they're never going to quit judging others and themselves on the basis of who has what and how much. That stuff is baked into the DNA of the US population, its all they really understand.

I don't want to argue with anyone and I'm not trying to be insulting, but look around you and think about what you're seeing. US Americans drive on average 60+ miles a day to and from work, to work at crappy jobs they hate, with obnoxious co-workers they wouldn't give house room, and all so they can afford the crummy car they have to have to get to the crummy job. And the job and the income are all about safety and security and hopefully, if they can climb the ladder, to make enough to acquire the "stuff" they think will make them happy and the stuff that will make them the envy of their peer group.

And one driving factor that's never talked about is that so very many of them work themselves to death so they can live in the "right" neighborhood, and to put their kids in the "right" school and so they can live far enough away from the Urban junk yards that they can sleep at night without fear of a home invasion.

So, yea........it sucks and its about a population of souless acquisitors whose only sense of "values" is besting the Joneses.

Will the next generation be any different? Every generation starts off with its liberal hippie Berkenstock wearing social justice warriors. But ask yourself, what do they grow up to become. Wanna know?

Hillary Clinton. And they don't come much more souless and greedy than Hilary Clinton.

a reply to: BuzzyWigs

Oh wow. This is a follow-up to the mention of her falling off the stage...
yep - she sure did...

and he didn't do JACK about it!
Poor woman. She'd just as well wear a bag over her head for the next 10 years, or move in with Casey Anthony.....

“Values”? – Carly Fiorina Falls From Stage, Ted Ignores Her….
Video. Watch it.

It's pathetic. When the bloopers come out for this election, both this and her singing will be on it, also Hillary being late back from the can, and Caroline flicking Ted's head.

LOL!!!!

And this:



Little Caroline. LOL!!! What an adorable little cretin she is!! I saw an article online yesterday (that I can't seem to find now) that talked about her: it said, "Oh, Caroline. We love you. Never change."

She is just the best little kid - and the greatest part about it is how she'll remember all of this, and never, ever, let him hear the end of it. Ever. LOL!!!!

a reply to: TonyS

I appreciate your thoughts. And for what it's worth - my husband and I do not fit that mold/description at all.

I don't work outside the home. He has a steady job and drives only 10 miles to get there. We both drive 90s model used cars that are paid for. Our house payment is less than area 1-br rentals. We rarely go out - but we are doing okay. Saving money, keeping the house up, have enough clothes and food -

the "American Dream" version of the Middle Class is hurting, yes. But I still live frugally, like I was brought up to do, and like I brought up my own kids, which "lifestyle" I never really stopped after "college."


edit:

Oh, and yeah - we're both college-educated, and I have an advanced degree as well.

Seriously, even on MadTV or SNL this would seem so scripted - but it's real -- watch this....
god love her!!!

You can't make this stuff up:



LOL!!!

originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
I don't get why some people act like if someone else gets paid enough to survive on then it's some sort of an insult to others who also make enough to survive on.

Not sure what you mean by survival. survival is food, shelter, clothing. clean water. all are achievable with about 10$ a day really, raman noodles, a small room, and good will.
So we aren't discussing survival, we are discussing a western standard of living..phones, nice clothes, cars, quality variety food, etc.
A number of people have seen at a early age that being poor isn't good, being secure is better, so they bypassed partying and making bad choices in exchange for studying hard, learning marketable skills, etc. Hard work pays off..or should.

You all take delight in knowing you are "better off" than others?

Of course. it means you were wise with your time and decisions.

It doesn't have to be a "contest"

Competition has always been a core trait of our species, it got us from the caves into skyscrapers. Competition has forced companies to make things better, faster, smaller, more efficient, etc..it has allowed the innovation of the automobile, smart phone, satellite network, the computer and the internet where you can type out your communist garbage on how competition is bad.

That's kindergarten stuff. "My crayon box has 64 and a sharpener! Ha ha! Yours only has 8 and they're dull. Booya, loser. "

You can live on 8 crayons. want more? earn them..dont demand you get given 28 from others who earned it.

it's the best thing for EVERYONE - YOU TOO won't be left to die in the streets....

You speak as a collective. only in a communism is there a collective.
In a capitalism, it is individualism. The best thing for everyone..no such thing.

Now

I am a fan of capitalism, however I also understand the need for a net..hense why I didn't object to your example of why the loser simply was given 8 crayons..if I was heartless I would say they get no crayons..only what they earn..but I know society isn't that easy.
And people do need a hand, and just as a matter of pride, there needs to be a net so people simply cant fall too far down and always have a ladder they can climb up when they do fall..and this is what can be discussed

Does it make sense to pay a burger flipping teen the same as a person who went to university for several years studying computer science? why would a person go to school to study computer science, miss out on all the partying and crazyness only to make the same as some teen?

Consider your response before typing it (the computer persons salary would go up)..to what? doctors salary? what then about the doctors salary?...yep..that goes up also...and we are back where we started.

Point is, I see what you're trying to say in regards to a vision of everyone having..but the reality of that would require equal effort, and some people are perfectly happy living in the woods in a 1 room shack with a little fishing hole nearby and a couple vegetable plants, otherwise spending most of their days just meditating, listening to music, etc. Others will work 60 hour weeks as hard as possible in order to have the most advanced modern inner city penthouse suite. different lifestyles, different goals, different salarys. Equality would mean forced conformity on both ends of the spectrum. We can do better, but we cant and shouldn't do equal...everyone has equal opportunity, not equal outcome. the opportunity doesn't mean you are given it, just that you can work towards it..college, political office, etc..you may fail at getting it, but not because laws prevent you, just that your skill, luck, or committment was lacking.

originally posted by: BuzzyWigs

And besides, if employers are paying the wages, it's not "over market value" then, is it?! No, it isn't. It is the market value.

No. The market determines market value. If the government compels it, then it isn't market value.

a reply to: yeahright

The government didn't "compel" any of the recent pay hikes. Nor did it "compel" Costco to best Walmart's pay & bennies some years ago. Walmart decided to do it on their own. Some McD's franchises have also CHOSEN to do it.

Their business is improving, the profits are up, etc.
In fact, I thought it was onequestion here who made a thread about how it was helping their bottom line to have started paying more. You honestly don't think consumers care how the workers are treated?

They do. And they will boycott crap like Hobby Lobby, and support places that pay a decent wage.
To them, it's pennies difference in price, but the "value added" by knowing that the company is a decent one is just as important. I shop locally whenever I can. Do you?

And I don't mean the Starbucks down on the corner. I mean local, small businesses. In my own community. I give them my business before I resort to giant chain stores.

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: BlueAjah

originally posted by: darkbake
Wow! So this leaves Trump vs. Kasich. I wonder what will happen.

Good Morning!
Trump was declared the Republican presumptive nominee, including by Priebus!

So, Kasich is done, although he may keep denying it.

Kasich looks like he will keep going, to see if he can improve his current 4th position in a 2 horse race.
That said, I think that the GOP will now fall in line and Trump will be organising HIS convention in Cleveland. He'll be firming up the platform and choosing his speakers, seating arrangements, all the details to make the convention a Trump event. Kasich will just continue to make a fool of himself and kill his political career, unless he sees sense soon and drops out.

If I were trump i would shut the doors to Romney, Will and Graham - or maybe put them in the cheap seats.

Funny you mention shutting the doors. Trump is the nom so he and his people write the next elections rules. Hello locked in delegates! a sin who your people voted for you have to vote how they wanted you to do.

originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
The government didn't "compel" any of the recent pay hikes.

Your comment in ref to this post was, I thought, in reference to minimum wage. Minimum wage legislation very much compels an employer to pay a minimum wage. That's the antithesis of market value, when the mandated wage is higher than market value. In fact, if market value was higher than the compelled minimum wage, there'd be no outcry for a mandated minimum wage.

a reply to: yeahright

Ah, I see. I thought you were talking about the higher wage that Walmart and Costco and McDonald's employees have received just because their bosses decided to do it. I was referring to those that did it voluntarily, without compulsion...just because. They didn't "have to", they just did.

Look up the history of Costco - you'll see what I mean.

a reply to: BuzzyWigs

If it makes you feel any better, I'm not always sure what I'm talking about, either.

I'm 100% on-board with companies paying in salaries and benefits whatever they can to keep employees. My discomfiture occurs when some Fed decides the minimum wage should be oh, say $15/hr across the board with no consideration for the impact that will have.

Of course IMO, your basic socialist loves that because it'll throw significantly more people on the government dole, make them even more dependent on the Fed teat, and certainly more likely to vote for more. As in "Please sir, may I have another?" >WHACK<

Two philosophies (to oversimplify) 1- Government is the answer and we should cede more and more control to Fed micromanagement because they're so benign and efficient and 2 - Government is the problem and should be reined in because it's an unwieldy behemoth that breaks by accident and non-intent way more than it fixes, and the further we go down that route, the worse things get.

Mark me down as a big ol' 2.

a reply to: yeahright

Two philosophies (to oversimplify) 1- Government is the answer and we should cede more and more control to Fed micromanagement because they're so benign and efficient and 2 - Government is the problem and should be reined in because it's an unwieldy behemoth that breaks by accident and non-intent way more than it fixes, and the further we go down that route, the worse things get.

Mark me down as a big ol' 2.

I see your point.

It's just that I don't think those are the only two "philosophies" (actually, they are only one philosophy which requires government). I think there are other options.

Small community coops. Barter towns. In kind payment. It's not a new idea.

EDIT:

If it makes you feel any better, I'm not always sure what I'm talking about, either.

Just noticed this. It doesn't make me feel anything, I knew what I was talking about. When I don't, I readily admit it.

a reply to: HomerinNC

LOLOLOLOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

(But, dude - it's spelled wrong - is that intentional? I didn't notice it at first).....

a reply to: HomerinNC

Dammit Homer, now I have budweiser on my phone.

a reply to: SaturnFX

wut?

Yikes. I just read your post. I don't have to think carefully about it.

You're off the rails.

You really are confusing "communism" (in which everyone has exactly the same things and in the same quantity, and are given assigned jobs by the govt) with "democratic socialism." Honestly, Saturn, I'm at a loss as to how it's possible that you don't comprehend this.

The people who are happy living in the woods can do that. The ones who want a tower can have it, too. But meanwhile, no one starves on the streets without care.
I'm a bit taken aback at the sudden viciousness of your tone. You didn't used to write quite so abrasively.
ah well.

Carry on, all.

a reply to: BuzzyWigs

Whoops fixed