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originally posted by: zinc12
Mysterious Indo-European homeland may have been in the steppes of Ukraine and Russia
Looking at the map above is Russia above or below Ukraine?
The comparison of the two cultures’ DNA showed that the four Corded Ware people could trace an astonishing three-quarters of their ancestry to the Yamnaya. That suggests a massive migration of Yamnaya people from their steppe homeland into central Europe about 4500 years ago, one that could have spread an early form of the Indo-European language, the team concludes. Thus the paper for the first time links two far-flung material cultures to specific genetic signatures and to each other—and suggests, the team says, that they spoke a form of Indo-European.
The Corded Ware culture soon spread across north and central Europe, extending as far as today’s Scandinavia. So the “steppe ancestry,” as the authors of the preprint call it, is found in most present-day Europeans, who can trace their ancestry back to both the Corded Ware people and the earlier Yamnaya. The work thus adds to genetic findings from last fall showing that the genetic makeup of today’s Europeans is more complicated than anyone expected.
The studies’ conclusions emerge from state-of-the-art ancient DNA and linguistic analyses, but the debate over PIE’s origins is likely to continue. A rival hypothesis—that early farmers living in Anatolia (modern Turkey) about 8000 years ago were the original PIE speakers—is not ruled out by the new analyses, most agree.
The anthropological type of the earliest Indo-Europeans suggests that they come from the temperate zone of Europe. They were tall Northern Europeoids with strong bodies and fair hair, skin and eyes. These facts are proven by anthropological examinations of bones from the kurgans dating back to the 5th-3rd millennia B.C., as well as folklore and written sources. Rigveda referred to the Aryans as Svitnya, meaning light or white-skinned. The heroes of The Mahabharata, a well-known Aryan epic, often had eyes like “blue lotuses”. In the Vedic tradition, a real Brahmin had to have brown hair and grey eyes.
originally posted by: zinc12
a reply to: FatherLukeDuke
So if they state "They were tall Northern Europeoids " and I say they are "north Europeans and they came from North Europe originally what's the difference?
Who is "they"? It seems you just cherry picked a quote from some random Ukrainian magazine - not a respected scientific source. The article in question actually says they are from the Ukrainian Steppe, not Northern Europe.
Again, you also didn't provide a reference for the quote, which seems like more game playing on your part.
So, lets get this straight: you think the proto Indo-Europeans originated from the Pontic Steppe, which is in modern day Southern Ukraine around the Black Sea. They then migrated south until the reached Norway? You need to take a serious look at a map. I've had some weird debates on the internet, but never one where someone tried to redefine north and south to suit their argument.
Marija Gimbutas defined the "Kurgan culture" as composed of four successive periods, with the earliest (Kurgan I) including the Samara and Seroglazovo cultures of the Dnieper/Volga region in the Copper Age (early 4th millennium BC). The people of these cultures were nomadic pastoralists, who, according to the model, by the early 3rd millennium BC had expanded throughout the Pontic-Caspian steppe and into Eastern Europe.