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If 'Trans' is the new gay. whats next?

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posted on May, 2 2016 @ 10:21 PM
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Were seeing the same movement from gay rights as we did say the movement stemming from the mid 80s to mid 2000s.

when did the 'T' get added? whats going to be added next? sure this is subject may get ridiculed from those who oppose certain life styles. But jokes aside, what is keeping someone from 'identifying' with 'other'.

if its just a case of what you feel inside, are we going to see rogue groups (possibly perversed) begin to protest....
what about people who identify with things the thought police or TPTB or even the PC crowd thinks is abominable.

would that be some discrimination against them?

it seems to me the sole premise of recent laws or lack of, is based on what someone 'says' they identify as, and all underlying psychological or scientific basis is are dismissed.

because on says they identify with something, is not going to be right, let alone true everytime. how do we then diagnose someone with an actual real medical issue.

what if you go to the airport and before you board,the pilots walk in wearing bear suits and are walking on all 4s... can we say they just identify as bears and board the plane.

my question is, if someone thinks something, is it right to say hey thats what they identify with. what if they are wrong and just need a simple examination. what makes people think Trans people are always right in saying they identify with whatever.

secondly, then, what is to keep say a pedo from saying they identify as a child... or other cases, dress as a child etc.

i.e. this guy

Husband and father-of-seven, 52, leaves his wife and kids to live as a transgender SIX-YEAR-OLD girl named Stefonknee


true story


on a cheeky note, let me tell you, my microwave is the only special in my life right now... 3 minutes or less im eating the best preservative laden food from my local walmart
LGBTM?
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posted on May, 2 2016 @ 10:33 PM
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a reply to: odzeandennz

easy answer: we hopefully someday realize that:

a. all humans deserve common respect and courtesy, regardless of how strange you may think they are. Them being strange is something we should feel comfort in. if we can have a society where strange people can feel free to be strange, that says something about the quality of the society, imo. 'Live and let live' is a VERY American thing to do.

b. its none of anyone's business what we do behind our zipper.



posted on May, 2 2016 @ 10:37 PM
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Unisex . That will be the future gender. No more debates , discrimination , no categories.No long list of alphabetical characters capitalized. Just one sex.



posted on May, 2 2016 @ 10:42 PM
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originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan
a reply to: odzeandennz

easy answer: we hopefully someday realize that:

a. all humans deserve common respect and courtesy, regardless of how strange you may think they are. Them being strange is something we should feel comfort in. if we can have a society where strange people can feel free to be strange, that says something about the quality of the society, imo. 'Live and let live' is a VERY American thing to do.

b. its none of anyone's business what we do behind our zipper.


we all have the right to be free to be who were are. i love eccenctric people
you missed the point slightly.


with all this rights thing, what if not every one who thinks they re in the wrong bodies are right.
think of that. a 52 year old man identifying as a 6year old girl. where are we going to draw the lines.

why should we just accept anyone who say theyre something and just take it at face value.
what if you have a child and she identifies as a superhero or a comic book character... and that child is 18, legal to think for themselves.

what makes medical doctors to say well, this person with no medical background figured out they were in the wrong body. this is prevalent in mostly male. as a person of science, i cant just accept something someone claims when i can deduce and hypothesize about the trends on the persons who become transgendered. do you get my point?

again this is not about 'trans' but the evolution of his notion of you are whatever you identify with. this cant be the absolute bar-none answer. what if that person was wrong and suffers from a medical condition, how are we to find out. what qualifies someone to self diagnose, not a disease, no, but an entire genetical make up...


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posted on May, 2 2016 @ 10:42 PM
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What's next?

I find myself not able to care less. Really.

As long as it doesn't affect me or mine, I don't care. Each of us have to do today, what each of us can sleep with tonight. So if that means one wants to pretend to be a polar bear and their partner wants to be a baby seal... go for it.

It does not affect my daily life if anyone wants to be anything other than what they currently are.

Back in the day folks said -

You can call me anything... just don't call me late for dinner.

I really mean it.

Live and let live.


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posted on May, 2 2016 @ 10:42 PM
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Slippery slope arguments always ring hollow and are one of the last reposes of a resistance to change.

And their obvious flaw is obvious because slippery slope arguments can be flipped to any position one desires. For example, what if one counters your fallacious "I identify as a bear" slope with this one:

If we let these faux Christian zealots discriminate against trans people, then what is stopping them from outlawing everything they personally don't care for? They've already banned porn in Utah! What's next? Get caught in possession of a PG-13 Bluray and face being burned at the stake? It's MADNESS and we must stop it now!!!

The irony here is that my example is probably less grounded in hyperbole than yours.

Trans people wanting to use the bathroom that best suits their gender presentation is not worrisome to me at all. Why others are freaking out, seeking such absolute control over others and giving into baseless hate is something that worries me.

Oh and to directly answer your question: The reason the trans issue is valid is that it is real, has been historically documented in all cultures and since the advent of writing. People who think they are bears... Not so much.


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posted on May, 2 2016 @ 10:44 PM
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It is obviously pedophilia and bestiality, those are the last sacred barriers of civilized society for the nihilists and atheists to lay siege to.



posted on May, 2 2016 @ 10:45 PM
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Walking around with Salmon colored tee shirts that read "Fecal Matter Occurs" then on the back "Ask Me How"..

One may be 'Asexual' again, WGAS? If You have an issue with someone else's preferences, whether it be diet or whomever they wish to sleep with to whatever they want to call their own Self. Unless their actions/behavior put You in harm's way it isn't any of Your bee's wax, who has the problem, You or whomever You're accusing of having abhorrent behavior?

Especially, the 'What ifs" Most folks won't perpetrate a sexual assault in the company of others and aren't there laws on the books now that prohibit assaults?

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posted on May, 2 2016 @ 10:45 PM
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originally posted by: Gothmog
Unisex . That will be the future gender. No more debates , discrimination , no categories.No long list of alphabetical characters capitalized. Just one sex.


You seem to be advocating that will be only one sex and any "consenting" body can have sex with "consenting" anybody. OK, but you are forgetting protecting children and the vulnerable in this. Consent is a tricky and slippery ground to negotiate.

ETA: To make my point clearer: have you never had a "consensual" sexual encounter that you now regret?
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posted on May, 2 2016 @ 10:52 PM
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originally posted by: odzeandennz


we all have the right to be free to be who were are. i love eccenctric people
you missed the point slightly.


with all this rights thing, what if not every one who thinks they re in the wrong bodies are right.
think of that. a 52 year old man identifying as a 6year old girl. where are we going to draw the lines.


What lines? Whether he can walk around and be a little girl?

My local high school has a teacher that meows. She meows. Just in case you thought I mistyped it. If a students barks, or something, they get wrote up for it. This is West Texas....if that can happen here, it would seem it could happen anywhere.

I see no reason to ask where a line is drawn. Its unnecessary. Let the old dude skip down the sidewalk in his poodle skirt....i don't care.



why should we just accept anyone who say theyre something and just take it at face value.
what if you have a child and she ifentifies as a superhero or a comic book character... and that child is 18, legal to think for themselves.

what makes us medical doctors to say well, this person with no medical background figured out they were in the wrong body. this is prevalent in mostly male. as a person of science, i cant just accept something someone claims when i can deduce and hypothesize about the trends on the persons who become transgendered. do you get my point?

again this is not about 'trans' but the evolution of his notion of you are whatever you identify with. this cant be the absolute bar-none answer. what if that person was wrong and suffers from a medical condition, how are we to find out. what qualifirs someone to self diagnose, not a disease, but an entire genetical make up...



Im not saying that various identity disorders aren't mental illness. Transgenderism carries a diagnosis of 'gender dysphoria'. its a body identity disorder. just about anything you can think of is listed in the DSM.



posted on May, 2 2016 @ 10:52 PM
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originally posted by: TinfoilTP
It is obviously pedophilia and bestiality, those are the last sacred barriers of civilized society for the nihilists and atheists to lay siege to.


Already being broken down.....



posted on May, 2 2016 @ 10:52 PM
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Whats next?

How about bathrooms that are just a giant litter box that's made just for people who think they are cats?
People who have clearly altered their appearance and chose to live their loves as if they were cats.

Scratch that

What about bathrooms for people who identify as robots. These people no longer have real organs and operate off of artificial organs. Their brain is mostly software owned by iGoogpple but has been of course jail broken to allow more provider options.
These "cyborgs" don't actually poop any more and only need a constant draining and refueling of a bio-fuel that feeds the electrical motherboard comprised of living algae.

What about them? Where's their bathroom going to be?



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posted on May, 2 2016 @ 10:53 PM
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right you need to rr read the post and my subsequrnt response to the furry guy.
a reply to: Hefficide

this is not about trans right or whatever you'repositioning your argument. im pro trans or couldnt care less about the sexuality aspect.

its a persons own ability to say, something as paramount as im in the wrong body and we just take it as is.



posted on May, 2 2016 @ 10:56 PM
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a reply to: Cinrad


OK, but you are forgetting protecting children and the vulnerable in this.

In a unisex world , how would this affect unisex children ? Why would they need protection from the idea of unisex parents ?



posted on May, 2 2016 @ 10:59 PM
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originally posted by: Kangaruex4Ewe
What's next?

I find myself not able to care less. Really.

As long as it doesn't affect me or mine, I don't care. Each of us have to do today, what each of us can sleep with tonight. So if that means one wants to pretend to be a polar bear and their partner wants to be a baby seal... go for it.

It does not affect my daily life if anyone wants to be anything other than what they currently are.

Back in the day folks said -

You can call me anything... just don't call me late for dinner.

I really mean it.

Live and let live.


Bravo.

The next thing down the pipe is trans species. Already a thing, really.

And I couldn't care less.

Everyone, and I truly mean everyone, needs to reach deep into the back of their own closet, find the freakiest flag in there and just let it fly.

Good god, who cares about where you like to go pee?



posted on May, 2 2016 @ 11:01 PM
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originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan

originally posted by: odzeandennz


we all have the right to be free to be who were are. i love eccenctric people
you missed the point slightly.


with all this rights thing, what if not every one who thinks they re in the wrong bodies are right.
think of that. a 52 year old man identifying as a 6year old girl. where are we going to draw the lines.


What lines? Whether he can walk around and be a little girl?

My local high school has a teacher that meows. She meows. Just in case you thought I mistyped it. If a students barks, or something, they get wrote up for it. This is West Texas....if that can happen here, it would seem it could happen anywhere.

I see no reason to ask where a line is drawn. Its unnecessary. Let the old dude skip down the sidewalk in his poodle skirt....i don't care.



why should we just accept anyone who say theyre something and just take it at face value.
what if you have a child and she ifentifies as a superhero or a comic book character... and that child is 18, legal to think for themselves.

what makes us medical doctors to say well, this person with no medical background figured out they were in the wrong body. this is prevalent in mostly male. as a person of science, i cant just accept something someone claims when i can deduce and hypothesize about the trends on the persons who become transgendered. do you get my point?

again this is not about 'trans' but the evolution of his notion of you are whatever you identify with. this cant be the absolute bar-none answer. what if that person was wrong and suffers from a medical condition, how are we to find out. what qualifirs someone to self diagnose, not a disease, but an entire genetical make up...



Im not saying that various identity disorders aren't mental illness. Transgenderism carries a diagnosis of 'gender dysphoria'. its a body identity disorder. just about anything you can think of is listed in the DSM.


now it seems you're just accepting the man is a 6 year old girl trapoed in a 52 year old man body?

think of that. this isnt even about sexuality.
6 year old is so specific, why not 9 or 2 or a toddler.
or wolverine or a super soldier.
how did this man conclude he is a 6 tear old trapped in a 52 year old mans body...
come on, PC cant meant absent minded.
youre taking your stance just to accept people.



posted on May, 2 2016 @ 11:03 PM
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originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan
a reply to: odzeandennz

easy answer: we hopefully someday realize that:

a. all humans deserve common respect and courtesy, regardless of how strange you may think they are.
You maybe able to, but I find pedophiles despicable.



posted on May, 2 2016 @ 11:03 PM
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originally posted by: Gothmog

originally posted by: TinfoilTP
It is obviously pedophilia and bestiality, those are the last sacred barriers of civilized society for the nihilists and atheists to lay siege to.


Already being broken down.....


Oh, I agree the siege has already started.
The trans stuff was just setting the ballistas and readying the battering rams.



posted on May, 2 2016 @ 11:08 PM
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You maybe able to, but I find pedophiles despicable.

There is strange and there are criminally insane low-life scum perverts. The 2 dont necessarily overlap.
Peace



posted on May, 2 2016 @ 11:13 PM
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Is it really that new? In the eighties as a young person I watched The Rocky Horror Picture Show and was introduced to the word transsexual in a song the character, Dr. Frankfurter sang. It did not change my world in anyway or my own sexuality.
Before the surgeries and hormone therapies were available, there were people that dressed in a way common to the opposite gender. I think the difference now is the need to have words, definitions and or labels of what people do or how they feel about their outward appearance and innermost feelings.
What matters is how people treat each other.. not harming one another.



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