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Everyone is trying to figure out who to point the finger at

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posted on May, 2 2016 @ 01:56 PM
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Let me start the thread by saying this is not a rant I am trying to point out what I see as a major social issue and open a discussion on how we solve what I see as a major issue If what I see actually still stands.


I've come to the realization that the social and political climate in the US has a lot to do with the economy. I've noticed that a lot of people are struggling financially, not exactly poor but many people are worse off than they were five years ago and the media keeps putting out info on how great everything is doing and it's causing a lot of confusion.

Now having said that that doesn't give everyone a free pass there are still a lot of people out there just not willing to put in the hard work to get ahead but those aren't the people I'm talking about.

I'm talking about the majority of people who work hard or who have a hard time finding good steady work that pays. People that have real skills and experience who find themselves with less purchasing power every year and their paychecks are going nowhere.

In my opinion these people are looking for somewhere to point their finger and many people are taking their frustrations out in the wrong way. A lot of people Blane immigrants many people blame white people or privledge many people blame rsp music, of Donald Trump or social justice warriors look for any excuse with anyone to make snide remarks.

Anyway the point is we need to get together and focus on what the real problems are and in my opinion the real problems are our political and corporate Elite who are working tirelessly to rig the game and keep themselves and their families indefinitely on top. We have to work through all of these social issues and come together and focus on the people creating these trade pacts and the media who keeps driving wedges between the population.

Let's work together people.
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posted on May, 2 2016 @ 02:15 PM
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a reply to: onequestion

Never.. Don't you freaking dare band and go against my will



posted on May, 2 2016 @ 02:15 PM
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I disagree about what the problem is. In my view it's what my grandfather told me one day while driving around seattle in the 80s.


" too many rats on the ship" as he pointed at a line of cars waiting at a red.

I thought it was hilarious then, I don't now.

I don't have the answers...I can see the problem. Small boat, too many rats


a reply to: onequestion


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posted on May, 2 2016 @ 02:21 PM
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originally posted by: luciferslight
Never.. Don't you freaking dare band and go against my will

Lol. Sooner or later people will go all the way back to the Apple of Knowledge event and point their fingers at you.

Otherwise, just point the finger at the 13 elitist families that currently own this planet. Easy enough.



posted on May, 2 2016 @ 02:36 PM
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a reply to: onequestion

I am also of the opinion that the upper echelons of the central banking complex are spearheading much of our geopolitical woes. We, the collective people, are being subdued and conquered through any and all means of separation and division.

Personally, I'd like to go as far as extending reconciliation between not only the collective people, but also with the wealthy and influential. The more enemies we perpetuate with walls of separation, the less likely the universal brotherhood of unity will emerge.

I enjoy your threads, intentions, and heart! I'm happy to have a brother/sister like you who strives for our betterment through goodness.



posted on May, 2 2016 @ 02:49 PM
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Once a person looks at the grand universal plan of life throughout the cosmos they will see that they have to forgive every single spirit that has caused them pain either directly or via a chain reaction.

What better way to make spirits evolve and progress to higher levels than to allow them to learn the hard way.

Yes, that does mean that people will have to one day forgive HaSatan and crew for playing out their plan from Day 6 on this planet.



posted on May, 2 2016 @ 02:58 PM
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In the USA it's our government obviously, wasting too much money and taxing us too much and spying on us all and militarizing our police and not focusing on the right things. If you look at Tax revenue for the last few years, you'll see that our government has plenty of money, we just spend it on the wrong things.

But that brings us to the, perhaps, bigger problem, our media. CNN, FOX News, MSNBC, CBS, NBC, ABC, Talk Radio....they all talk about, tell us about and show us stupid stuff or only half truths. They never dig into the real problems. They're all talking about Transgender bathroom and Donald Trump and they should be talking about the Panama Papers and pollution or a hundred other real issues.

We then become the biggest problem, because we argue endlessly(Myself included) on here and facebook and twitter about all the stuff that doesn't matter, we vote and we might sign a petition and we might email a congressman, but that's about all we do.

So, in the end, We're the problem and our obsessive consumption of media...Cable TV, Netflix, Amazon firestick, You tube, Vine, facebook and Twitter, stupid apps and video games, messeging on facebook, porn, sports and sport analysis, and we become stupid. We believe what we're told and don't make too big a fuss.

There you have it. It's us. New goal. Reduce media consumption and Ipod/Ipad/phone use by 80% Read minimum 60 books per year and work on real wealth building, personal relationship building, skills acquisition and family bonding and Fitness-working out.



posted on May, 2 2016 @ 03:13 PM
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a reply to: onequestion

Well said. If one looks at history, the majority of revolutions, and much other civil unrest, tends to happen when people are hungry. We have the modern equivalent of that happening now. Economy 2016 = Food 1816.

The economy is very weak overall, though with a few pockets of very strong economies (like my hometown of Austin, e.g.). Real wages have been decreasing, partly due to inflation (quantitative easing being primary) and partly due to unprotected trade with disparate economic factors (slave-like workplaces, monetary manipulations) -- thus eroding manufacturing infrastructure and jobs. Having more people needing jobs than there are existing jobs pushes down wages further. Our economy is rotting from the inside, and everyone knows it. It's soft, surviving largely on services and financial manipulation.

I agree that the economy is pushing a lot of the unrest. Maybe half of it. The other half though is cultural and is being pushed through the nationally controlled media. And, the fact is the majority of people's ideas are entirely what the controlled media tells them.

There won't be any solutions until the nationally controlled media stops pushing cultural conflict, and international trade gets fixed. Neither of which will they do, because that was always the point. We are headed toward internal war and eventual Balkanization, though I think their goal is a completely totalitarian system -- they use each side of the left / right paradigm, in turn to increase the power of the state. It's been happening for a while and is coming to a head.

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posted on May, 2 2016 @ 03:26 PM
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I agree with you that the base issue is economic and the economic problem being the offshoring of jobs by way of these crappy free trade deals.

Here's what's really behind the problem.......the University educated elites that make policy decisions. And they're a pretty exclusive group and they inform policy makers about how to proceed with the future.

Those who formulate trade and finance policies long ago, starting in the 1980's decided that Trade Globalization was the way to go and they decided that the way to bring world peace was to raise the wage rates in the backwater 3rd world junk yards like Vietnam, Bangladesh, Mexico, etc. by exporting US manufacturing jobs to those countries. So of course, wage rates in the US stagnated and in reality fell. But that was all part of the plan!

See, the deal is that the people who think this stuff up and who make the decisions believe that US Americans are too wealthy and consume too much stuff. At the same time they believe the answer to the population crisis in the 3rd world will be solved if those people gain middle class status. That's actually probably true; the wealthier people get the fewer kids they have.

So, the overall scheme is to reduce the standard of living in First World Countries to Second World status and to lift Third Word Countries to Second World status. Another goal is to significantly diminish, if not destroy, the middle class and replace it with a Second World Government Dependency class managed with constant surveillance and militarized police and the ever present threat of disqualification for government benefits.

The problem is, that for all practical purposes, the Elites have near entirely succeeded. That means............its too late to do anything about it.



posted on May, 2 2016 @ 03:27 PM
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Look at wage growth versus the increase in wealth to the top 1% of 1% and you will see - stagnant wages and massive wealth flooding to the top (not trickling down).

That is why the stock market looks awesome and economic indicators point towards growth, but the average person feels poorer - that's because they are - with inflation, stagnant wages means you are being paid LESS than you were five years ago unless your salary has gone up with inflation.

Anyway. Yeah.

So, besides pitchforks, which are messy and often just supplant the current batch "on top" with another batch who end up "on top," what is a way to make the system fair?

People complain about those on the bottom of the pyramid, and those not too far above them, getting ANYTHING in social safety nets. Weren't you just complaining about that? Now the awesome/sarc Paul Ryan wants to gut the good part of the ACA, which keeps insurers from treating sick people differently than well people and wants to put them all in "high risk pools" which NEVER work, the evidence for this bad idea has existed since 1976. I know that's a side track, but honestly, its about sticking it to people who need the most help.

*sigh*

- AB



posted on May, 2 2016 @ 03:27 PM
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Look at wage growth versus the increase in wealth to the top 1% of 1% and you will see - stagnant wages and massive wealth flooding to the top (not trickling down).

That is why the stock market looks awesome and economic indicators point towards growth, but the average person feels poorer - that's because they are - with inflation, stagnant wages means you are being paid LESS than you were five years ago unless your salary has gone up with inflation.

Anyway. Yeah.

So, besides pitchforks, which are messy and often just supplant the current batch "on top" with another batch who end up "on top," what is a way to make the system fair?

People complain about those on the bottom of the pyramid, and those not too far above them, getting ANYTHING in social safety nets. Weren't you just complaining about that? Now the awesome/sarc Paul Ryan wants to gut the good part of the ACA, which keeps insurers from treating sick people differently than well people and wants to put them all in "high risk pools" which NEVER work, the evidence for this bad idea has existed since 1976. I know that's a side track, but honestly, its about sticking it to people who need the most help.

*sigh*

- AB



posted on May, 2 2016 @ 03:32 PM
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originally posted by: amazing
There you have it. It's us. New goal. Reduce media consumption and Ipod/Ipad/phone use by 80% Read minimum 60 books per year and work on real wealth building, personal relationship building, skills acquisition and family bonding and Fitness-working out.


I think the media is too general of an answer to what the problem is. We've had media for hundreds of years now. Newspapers, magazines, periodicals, and so on. It's the whole concept of first a 24 hour news cycle that pushed trivialities just to have things in the news, followed by the new news cycle which is about being interactive with an audience and having so many diverse options that people can listen to what they want to hear rather than what the facts are.

Personally, I find the concept of book reading to be out dated for the same reason. Anyone can publish these days so people just read the authors that already agree with their preconceived notions. Reading can still be good but I think you have to accept that you're not reading facts, you're reading opinions. Most books these days are no different from a good forum post.



posted on May, 2 2016 @ 03:35 PM
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Fantastic points OneQuestion.
We have been played over and over by billionaires.
They take 666 pieces from a pie with 667 and say,
'"Quick do 'this' because those immigrant gay 2nd Amendent Patriot
Muslims are trying to steal your piece of pie !"

Millionaires are as American as Apple Pie
Billionaires are globalists on both sides of every conflict.

Since there are 8 billion of us and less than 2000
billionaires, it's not by mistake we don't know them better .
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posted on May, 2 2016 @ 03:39 PM
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I thought all of the problems America faces is because of the Obama presidency. At least that is what I've learned from reading the threads and post on ATS for many years.

I read a thread that said Obama is the AntiChrist....what more proof do we need?


www.abovetopsecret.com...



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posted on May, 2 2016 @ 03:41 PM
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originally posted by: Aazadan

originally posted by: amazing
There you have it. It's us. New goal. Reduce media consumption and Ipod/Ipad/phone use by 80% Read minimum 60 books per year and work on real wealth building, personal relationship building, skills acquisition and family bonding and Fitness-working out.


I think the media is too general of an answer to what the problem is. We've had media for hundreds of years now. Newspapers, magazines, periodicals, and so on. It's the whole concept of first a 24 hour news cycle that pushed trivialities just to have things in the news, followed by the new news cycle which is about being interactive with an audience and having so many diverse options that people can listen to what they want to hear rather than what the facts are.

Personally, I find the concept of book reading to be out dated for the same reason. Anyone can publish these days so people just read the authors that already agree with their preconceived notions. Reading can still be good but I think you have to accept that you're not reading facts, you're reading opinions. Most books these days are no different from a good forum post.


Good points. First of all, I'd change my original post to mean too much electronic media. That would encompass..TV, Movies, reality shows, News casts and websites, apps, games, facebook, twitter and anything electronic or digital.

You can weed out books though and only go with books with good reviews. I believe in God but I still read Richard Dawkins books and I'm not a Christian but I still read John Maxwell books etc. You can never rule out all bad books but generally books are going to be better than most digital content you get. Succesful people read dozens of non fiction books per year. Happy people reduce their electronic media consumption.

I realize I'm posting that on an online digital forum full of opinions, but tonight when I'm home there will be no tablet, phone or TV or computer on. Just me and my books and my family.

I may fail a little if my wife has the TV on, and I may need to check a facebook message about a business transaction, but overall...I will be reducing my digital media consumption...
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posted on May, 2 2016 @ 03:46 PM
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What does it even matter? I mean really, the country is so divided it doesn't matter who gets in office. Neither side will budge, unless some extra legislation is added last second that screws the people and benefits the already monopolized industry.

People act like if Trump or Bernie get in office, they are gonna walk in there with their tax plans, throw them on the table, and tell them to get it changed asap. Well news flash people, its not gonna happen. I bet the tax code won't budge, the "status quo" is what we're stuck with whether you like it or not. I'd be willing to bet everything I own on it.

Most of us on ATS agree on many components in the political realm, but where we're divided stops any hope for any change.

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posted on May, 2 2016 @ 03:50 PM
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originally posted by: amicktd
What does it even matter? I mean really, the country is so divided it doesn't matter who gets in office. Neither side will budge, unless some extra legislation is added last second that screws the people and benefits the already monopolized industry.

People act like if Trump or Bernie get in office, they are gonna walk in there with their tax plans, throw them on the table, and tell them to get it changed asap. Well news flash people, its not gonna happen. I bet the tax code won't budge, the "status quo" is what we're stuck with whether you like it or not. I'd be willing to bet everything I own on it.

Most of us on ATS agree on many components in the political realm, but where we're divided stops any hope for any change.


But we're not really that divided. Only on National TV/Media and National Politics. Anywhere else in the real world politics don't matter. I was in the Military and I worked in restaraunts and Telecommunications companies and I was a local elected official and I own my own business and I've been active in non profits and churches before and guess what. No body cared what political party you were in. In real life no body cares...it's a media creation.



posted on May, 2 2016 @ 03:53 PM
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originally posted by: olaru12
I thought all of the problems America faces is because of the Obama presidency. At least that is what I've learned from reading the threads and post on ATS for many years.

I read a thread that said Obama is the AntiChrist....what more proof do we need?


Remember that time he drew a line in the sand like he was all tough and stuff then didn't do anything signaling to the world that America is now weak? Or the time he got caught on a live microphone in collusion with Putin just before the Crimea got annexed Adolph Hitler style like it was czechoslovakia pre WWII? How can you forget the JV speech about ISIS as they rampaged across the Middle East and set up their very own Caliphate right under his nose?

That Obama, what a guy.



posted on May, 2 2016 @ 04:00 PM
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If people can afford the Devices, phones and computers , the internet fee, and the time to sit around and poke blame, then they aren't that bad off…

Not as bad as the people I saw over the weekend working the piles of trash put out in a nearby city during the annual spring clean up. I was there, they were many, stiff competition for a few refuse crumbs of scrap metal and goods to sell at the local flea market.

I got my share, its in the garage awaiting break down and delivery. But I'm not as desperate as some I saw. So I quit early, mostly for their sake. I'm not living outdoors anymore, they need it more than me.



posted on May, 2 2016 @ 04:03 PM
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Oh, all that. I just remember the last time some candidate made promises they never intended to keep, declaring change we could all believe in.

Just beleeeevv… (waves hands over head)



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