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originally posted by: BrianFlanders
originally posted by: rickymouse
I can give you free will, but it will cost you a buck. Please deposit the buck into my ATS account. Oh, yeah, I don't have an account for money so I guess it is free.
We are conditioned from birth to fit into society, that shapes our consciousness and every decision we make. That means we do not and never will have free will. If our parents were chaotic in nature and conditioned us to not believe in society, then we are also conditioned and have no free will. This is all interpreted in our subconscious, our beliefs govern our will.
Boy, if I could only get a buck from everyone who believes me, I might be able to go get breakfast at McDs.
And of course if someone wanted to sabotage the right to make your own choices, they'd have to start by convincing people they don't even know what a choice is and build an entire dictatorship on that foundation.
originally posted by: Itisnowagain
a reply to: cuckooold
Do the science for yourself - look now to where your next thought will appear.
Is it possible to know what the next thought will be before it arises??
If it is found that thoughts appear without 'you' doing them then that is proof that that 'you' do not have free will.
Here is a nice video which will help you prove there is no free will - no need to believe or disbelieve a scientist.
originally posted by: Dark Ghost
originally posted by: akushla99
...then those who think(?) they don't have free will are psychotic...
Can you name a single decision you have made that was not influenced in some way by another person or your own past experience?
While it might seem so, I am not a hard-line determinist and still believe we might maintain a degree of Free Will, I just believe it is highly unlikely. To be honest, I cannot, at present, refute your valid assertion that determinism cannot reconcile personal responsibility and have to leave it as one of the ever-present intellectual conflicts in my mind. Nevertheless, I will strive to take responsibility for my actions and how I treat others, despite that my mind believes these things are out of my control.