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originally posted by: schuyler
Politics and the social environment have a lot to do about people deciding they are homosexual.
And transgender is even more so. Not content with being merely homosexual, yet another step is required, a surgical fix so that one sex can pretend to be the other.
originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: schuyler
The DNA does not lie,
Tell me, which genes determine one's sex?
originally posted by: Annee
originally posted by: TinfoilTP
originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: TinfoilTP
Did you read the OP?
We were talking transgenderism, don't muddy the waters with homosexuals.
Again, neither is a disability.
Well then that is the problem, transgenderism and homosexualism are not the same, and each is not dependent on the other.
The hidden agenda against intervention, is that there would be a whole lot less visual homosexuals if transgenderism was fixed at birth. In their minds they would be attracted to the same sex as before, but their bodies would match natures whole penis/vagina evolution for procreation.
Transgenders can be gay, bi, straight, sexually fluid, whatever.
Has nothing to do with their sexual body parts.
originally posted by: JoshuaCox
originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: schuyler
The DNA does not lie,
Tell me, which genes determine one's sex?
The X Y ones, which is why transgendered IS considered a disorder. Gender is not as subjective as "who you are attracted to."
If you are born with the body of a male, medically you should have been born wired as one as well.
originally posted by: DuckforcoveR
If we have said technology we should use it to fix the people who spend their lives worrying about how other people choose to love and be with. That would be far more effective.
And to use something Phage said as an example, who defines what the limits are? Skin pigment changes can be stretched to the "disorder " category if you really try I guess. Anybody brown or darker needs to get fixed? The whole notion is beyond ludicrous.
originally posted by: TinfoilTP
originally posted by: Annee
originally posted by: TinfoilTP
originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: TinfoilTP
Did you read the OP?
We were talking transgenderism, don't muddy the waters with homosexuals.
Again, neither is a disability.
Well then that is the problem, transgenderism and homosexualism are not the same, and each is not dependent on the other.
The hidden agenda against intervention, is that there would be a whole lot less visual homosexuals if transgenderism was fixed at birth. In their minds they would be attracted to the same sex as before, but their bodies would match natures whole penis/vagina evolution for procreation.
Transgenders can be gay, bi, straight, sexually fluid, whatever.
Has nothing to do with their sexual body parts.
And if they fix them at birth so their bodies match their brains then they can still be " gay, bi, straight, sexually fluid, whatever".
originally posted by: TerryDon79
originally posted by: JoshuaCox
originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: schuyler
The DNA does not lie,
Tell me, which genes determine one's sex?
The X Y ones, which is why transgendered IS considered a disorder. Gender is not as subjective as "who you are attracted to."
If you are born with the body of a male, medically you should have been born wired as one as well.
That only determines what sex you physically are, not which one you identify as being.
I'm from the uk. Born in England. I class myself as British. A lot would call me English. Does that mean I need to be "fixed" to agree with the masses?
originally posted by: reldra
a reply to: JoshuaCox
Given the limited options you offered...I would choose #2.
Without such limited options, even after a medical test, I would do nothing and wait until they were about 16 (depending on the child) and to let them choose any changes they chose.
originally posted by: JoshuaCox
originally posted by: TerryDon79
originally posted by: JoshuaCox
originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: schuyler
The DNA does not lie,
Tell me, which genes determine one's sex?
The X Y ones, which is why transgendered IS considered a disorder. Gender is not as subjective as "who you are attracted to."
If you are born with the body of a male, medically you should have been born wired as one as well.
That only determines what sex you physically are, not which one you identify as being.
I'm from the uk. Born in England. I class myself as British. A lot would call me English. Does that mean I need to be "fixed" to agree with the masses?
If you come up with anything resembling a fair comparison I will be happy to answer...
originally posted by: TheBulk
originally posted by: greydaze
a reply to: JoshuaCox
I say live and let live..If a person is "trans"Leave them alone..
That goes both ways though and it seems they're not going to leave anyone alone.
originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: TinfoilTP
What is a visual homosexual?
The hidden agenda against intervention, is that there would be a whole lot less visual homosexuals if transgenderism was fixed at birth.
You just contradicted yourself. You said there was no relationship between homosexuality and transgenderism.
transgenderism and homosexualism are not the same, and each is not dependent on the other.
originally posted by: Spiramirabilis
a reply to: JoshuaCox
What do you choose?
I choose to not indulge a group of people that's decided some people need to be fixed