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Having internet access doesn't make you a scholar...

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posted on May, 1 2016 @ 03:30 PM
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I'm sure some fellow ATSers can appreciate this. I've been guilty of this transgression a time or two myself.

I have a professor friend who said he is sick and tired of students reading a few online artcles on a given subject, and then thinking they're experts on the subject. Even more annoying is when they get their info from crappy sources, which he said is rampant. He's so tired of it, he had a 3 x 4 foot poster printed which he now has hanging in a lecture hall. It reads:



Having internet access will allow you to perform quality research, provided you know how to perform research.
You can perform excellent research if you possess insight, perception, keen judgement, comprehension, and critical thinking skills.

Having internet access does not make you an artist, a scientist, a scholar, a philosopher, a historian, or an intellectual.




posted on May, 1 2016 @ 03:41 PM
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It doesn't make you a critic either.



posted on May, 1 2016 @ 04:02 PM
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ColeYounger,

All I heard was "nobodies smart but me!"






posted on May, 1 2016 @ 04:03 PM
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a reply to: ColeYounger
I agree with your professor friend. It doesn't make you a scholar.

On the other hand, many people like to discredit the internet as a useful tool and source, when they are challenged by information gleaned from it. I saw a doctor get pissed at a patient when info from the internet correctly contradicted what the doctor said.

Nevertheless, it is true, that discretion and critical thinking are necessary tools. There's a lot of BS out there, and we've all probably fallen prey to it at least once.

edit on 5/1/2016 by Klassified because: duh

edit on 5/1/2016 by Klassified because: changed my wording



posted on May, 1 2016 @ 04:03 PM
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originally posted by: CagliostroTheGreat
ColeYounger,

All I heard was "nobodies smart but me!"





Are we in the same room? I heard that too.



posted on May, 1 2016 @ 04:12 PM
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Having access to a library and an education may make you a scholar. The internet is so full of rubbish, it just allows you to become closed minded.



posted on May, 1 2016 @ 04:13 PM
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a reply to: ColeYounger

Yeah, high five on that


It's like stolen valour.

People are armchair experts on anything they can search.



posted on May, 1 2016 @ 04:14 PM
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a reply to: ColeYounger

I understand the concern but were things much different when we only had books?

For instance, I was a real bookworm but it started to occur to me that I might be relying on only one author's research, conclusions or opinion on a subject. And they weren't always necessarily right.

If I wanted more information or verification of what I'd just read I'd have to seek out another book. Time consuming and costly. And still no guarantee that I had accurate information.

On the internet it's easy to cross-reference stuff and gain access to the insights of many authors, all in a few minutes. Then decisions can be made into which avenue of research is worthy of further investigation.

I'd suggest that the way to go is to teach students how to research properly. If they don't know, it's the fault of the teachers who haven't taught them how to utilise their powers of perception, keen judgement etc properly.



posted on May, 1 2016 @ 04:20 PM
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a reply to: ColeYounger

We have books, and then we have the internet. Both of them are reliable sources of information and both arent..



posted on May, 1 2016 @ 04:34 PM
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a reply to: berenike
Totally agree. Lots of valid information on the internet, that would have been impossible to get hold of otherwise, esp. If you dont belong to a university, or are looking for information in another field.
In my case, same with the doctors. All told me there is nothing they can do for me. With the means of the internet I could find ONE research paper that described my problems, and could find the medical term for it, and by searchibg for that term, I could find 3 papers that showed a specific medication can be used to treat the symptoms. Showed those papers to the doctor and specialists, describing a condition they havent even heard of, and they decided to try that meds. One year later, no seizures and no breathing cessation. Without internet, most propably I would have been either dead, or permanently on a respirator.

The thing is, as everywhere you do research, you have to cross-correlate. If you get the information from books, the same apply. With the internet it is just easier to get lots of information. In the old days us electronic engineers would have libraries full of databooks, that gets updated every year, and you would spend months going through books and looking for application notes when you did a new design. With the internet, getting hold of that same information takes hours.

Of course, there is a lot of jubk information out there too. Just look at the amount of crap we get in here when somebody links to a dubious news source, or even worse, a youtube video. That is not to say there are no valid stuff on youtube, on the contrary, but you need to know how to extract the signals from the noise.



posted on May, 1 2016 @ 04:35 PM
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a reply to: CagliostroTheGreat




All I heard was "nobodies smart but me!"


Listen harder.



posted on May, 1 2016 @ 04:42 PM
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a reply to: ColeYounger

So did this professor read any books while he was studying for school? What if you read a book for school that was downloaded from the internet? What if you take an online coarse? How does one become a professor without any knowledge what so ever? Knowledge is every where and he should encourage his students to find it. Either that or he was getting sick of his students finding out sh#t before he did.






posted on May, 1 2016 @ 04:47 PM
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a reply to: ColeYounger

So basically, you can only be considered a "scholar" if you pay a large amount of money to some university... Researching a subject without paying for the right, automatically means you have no idea what there talking about.

It does seem to be the illogical logic of most narcissistic elitist types.



posted on May, 1 2016 @ 04:52 PM
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a reply to: ColeYounger

However, older people that lived through it back in the days before inter webs can do excellent research with a few key words. I have found its usually out there, waiting.

Despite the incessant efforts to rewrite history and bury the truth under a pie of lies, I still remember. I can still bring it.



posted on May, 1 2016 @ 04:55 PM
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originally posted by: paraphi
Having access to a library and an education may make you a scholar. The internet is so full of rubbish, it just allows you to become closed minded.

LOL, especially when it comes to 'geopolitical' (read that, covering up military strategy) discussion. Gate keepers excel at twisting things around to mean something else, for (ahem) 'humanitarian' reasons.



posted on May, 1 2016 @ 04:57 PM
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a reply to: Tarzan the apeman.

I'll elaborate a bit here. He IS encouraging his students to gain knowledge and to learn. He's not upset by students 'finding out s#it before him', as you've suggested. He's upset by the fact that some of them seem to truly believe that
because they have internet access, it somehow affords them scholarship on whatever subject they're studying.

An anology would be a non-mechanical person watching a 10-minute YouTube video on repairing a Mercedes Benz, and then arguing with a guy who has 20 years of experience as a Mercedes mechanic.



posted on May, 1 2016 @ 04:58 PM
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Yah, poor professor, people don't have to work as hard as he did anymore to find stuff out.

All that leg work and driving to the library, endless reviewing the periodical section scrolling through the index cards to find a book already checked out. Going blind trying to read the microfiche…

lol… what a bother.



posted on May, 1 2016 @ 05:05 PM
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a reply to: Subaeruginosa




So basically, you can only be considered a "scholar" if you pay a large amount of money to some university... Researching a subject without paying for the right, automatically means you have no idea what there talking about. It does seem to be the illogical logic of most narcissistic elitist types.


Where in the hell did you get that idea? I never even inferred that.

Let me explain this concept one more time:
He is telling a select group of haughty, self-important, know-it-all college brats that despite what THEY may think,
they are not geniuses or intellectuals simply because they can "look up stuff" online.
I know the man. Despite your utterly unfounded assumptions about him, he's neither illogical nor narcissistic.
I've seen knee-jerk reactions before, but yours couldn't be more unfounded.



posted on May, 1 2016 @ 05:05 PM
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a reply to: ColeYounger




Having internet access will allow you to perform quality research, provided you know how to perform research. You can perform excellent research if you possess insight, perception, keen judgement, comprehension, and critical thinking skills.


Perhaps this Professor should take the first few classes at the beginning of any semester and assist his students in how to use reasoning, critical thinking, before attacking his students. A sign of a good educator. Apart from that, wise words to his students.



posted on May, 1 2016 @ 05:09 PM
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a reply to: Klassified




I saw a doctor get pissed at a patient when info from the internet correctly contradicted what the doctor said.

I have had that happen many times from the medical profession. Whilst I respect the fact that they've had 7/8 years training before being licensed, I suspect they view general practise as more of a job than a career. They usually promote what Pharma pushes onto them without looking at the "whole patient" and if they may harm them.



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