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Trump backers furious over defeat at Arizona GOP convention

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posted on May, 1 2016 @ 09:51 AM
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Well, isn't this interesting...Arizona, a "winner take all" Republican Primary...won handily by Donald Trump with 47.1% to Cruz's 24.9%, and Kasich's 10.0%...just had their delegate election, and it seems that there will only be one "firm" Trump supporter among the Delegates going to Cleveland from Arizona.

All the rest will be Cruz supporters.



Backers of Republican presidential front-runner Donald Trump accused the Arizona GOP convention of cheating after Texas Sen. Ted Cruz pulled out a strategic victory Saturday. Cruz won virtually all of the 28 at-large national delegates and roughly split the 27 delegates selected by congressional district.


Now, just how could something like this happen?


Cruz's Arizona campaign organizer says simple math led to the at-large victory. Cruz offered a nearly identical slate of candidates as John Kasich backers, and the combined votes led to a win.


So the Cruz campaign, apparently has no problem coming right out and admitting that they colluded with the Kasich camp to create a "block" of delegates that represented their combined interests.

Their combined interest being to thwart the will of the electorate...and try to steal the nomination if it goes beyond one ballot at the Convention.


They lost because of math, not because of malfeasance. If you take the people that want Cruz, and you add to them the people who don't want Trump, that's a majority in just about any room in America."


So, according to Constantin Querard, Cruz’s Arizona campaign chair, forget the fact that we cheated (in collusion with the other "stop Trumpers")...it's just a simple math exercise.

Well, here's a math question for everybody. If Trump has 47.1% of the vote, and Cruz/Kasich combined have only 34.9%...how can the losing combined slate end up with 57 out of 58 Delegates...or 98.3% representation???

Bad enough that the Cruz campaign is shovelling this crud...but the the State GOP leadership too?

According to State party Chairman Robert Graham...


This was a very pronounced victory for the Cruz-Kasich slates. If it was close, then you might say 'Hey, one person here, one person there,' but this was a commanding victory.


Cruz and Kasich Collude and Steal Arizona Delegates

Um...did he really just admit that Cruz and Kasich deliberately stacked the Delegate deck, so that it was effectively two failed candidates "ganging up" on the winner to ignore the will of the people in his state...and he has the nerve to then use the words "a commanding victory"?

So...here is the situation folks. On the first ballot, all of these Delegates will be forced to vote for Donald Trump because he was the winner...in a landslide...of the Winner-take-all Arizona Primary. All 58 votes will be cast for Trump.

But, if Trump narrowly loses on that first ballot...then in round two (quite possibly) Arizona will vote 57 for Cruz, and 1 for Trump.

Welcome one and all to the American version of democracy.




posted on May, 1 2016 @ 09:59 AM
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Sorry if this sounds silly, but how does that even work, i cant stand trump the man but isint this illegal at all, i know its not the election but arent there laws protecting this.



posted on May, 1 2016 @ 10:02 AM
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originally posted by: dukeofjive696969
Sorry if this sounds silly, but how does that even work, i cant stand trump the man but isint this illegal at all, i know its not the election but arent there laws protecting this.


Perhaps someone more learned in US (or Arizona) election law can answer this question for you.

The only thing I know for sure is that the Trump campaign is saying they are going to launch a law suit over this...so they , at least, must think there is some illegality involved in what just happened.



posted on May, 1 2016 @ 10:04 AM
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a reply to: dukeofjive696969

I believe the RNC and DNC makes their own rules regarding the process. They can change the rules at their own will.

What this so called "election" is revealing is how both sides have the cards stacked for whomever they wish to be "elected."

It is a farce in my opinion.



posted on May, 1 2016 @ 10:06 AM
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trump can't handle debate moderators
trump can't handle citizens of chicago
trump can't outwit ted cruz

but he can get china and russian back in line ?

LOL !!!



posted on May, 1 2016 @ 10:08 AM
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Apparently the GOP and DNC don't have to listen to the voters at all.

They are both tax payer funded private organizations and can do as they please.

The primaries are an illusion of free choice, given to placate the masses.

Welcome to the Show



posted on May, 1 2016 @ 10:25 AM
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The real power brokers in America, the Corporate military industrial complex simply don't trust Trump with the mantel of power. He is to unpredictable, unstable, and has a distorted world view.

It doesn't surprise me that there is a conspiracy to dump trump even before the GOP convention.

The president and in fact all politicians are but pawns in a game of international intrigue that the electorate isn't even aware of.


Christ, haven't you ever read any Tom Clancy, Robert Ludlum or Clive Cussler novels.
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posted on May, 1 2016 @ 10:26 AM
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a reply to: mobiusmale

This is what happens when private parties, who aren't bound to laws and can make rules up as they go, run the show. Trump and Sanders have been getting screwed by the RNC and DNC because they don't want anyone who isn't bought and paid for running the show.

Cruz, who says he isn't establishment clearly is now apart of the establishment.
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posted on May, 1 2016 @ 10:26 AM
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Enjoy the destruction of the GOP if they don't choose Trump.



posted on May, 1 2016 @ 10:27 AM
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a reply to: dukeofjive696969

Nothing illegal about it, unfortunately.



posted on May, 1 2016 @ 10:29 AM
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a reply to: Ohanka

Well, they're damned if they do and they're damned if they don't because if Trump is the nominee the GOP still will be destroyed. They did this to themselves.

Don't worry, the DNC is destroying itself by supporting Hillary.
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posted on May, 1 2016 @ 10:31 AM
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originally posted by: Swills
a reply to: mobiusmale

This is what happens when private parties, who aren't bound to laws and can make rules up as they go, run the show. Trump and Sanders have been getting screwed by the RNC and DNC because they don't want anyone who isn't bought and paid for running the show.

Cruz, who says he isn't establishment clearly is now apart of the establishment.


Yes, quite clearly.

But it is entertaining to hear his recent rants about how Trump/Hillary/Boehner are all the same, and combined represent the "Washington cartel".

Ah...just another verbal bullet in Lyin' Ted's gun.



posted on May, 1 2016 @ 10:31 AM
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This is the end of the GOP.
They have shown that they completely disregard the will of the people.



posted on May, 1 2016 @ 10:33 AM
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originally posted by: Ohanka
Enjoy the destruction of the GOP if they don't choose Trump.



Good, what have they ever done to advance the plight of the working man???



posted on May, 1 2016 @ 10:35 AM
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This will only be a concern if Trump does not get enough bound delegates on the first ballot. So I really hope he gets to 1237.


Saturday’s victory was mainly strategic for Cruz since all 58 Arizona delegates are required to vote for Trump on the first national ballot because he won the state’s primary.



posted on May, 1 2016 @ 10:35 AM
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So what are Cruz and Kasich supposed to do? Quit? If Trump isn't smart enough to see it coming, how is he going to outwit Hillary?
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posted on May, 1 2016 @ 10:36 AM
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a reply to: LaWnOrDeR92

This has nothing to do with intelligence.

Cruz is establishment, as he has shown. He makes back room deals with his cronies to override the will of the people.

Trump stands up for the people.



posted on May, 1 2016 @ 10:38 AM
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originally posted by: BlueAjah
This is the end of the GOP.
They have shown that they completely disregard the will of the people.


This didn't occur to you when Al Gore won the popular vote but Bush was installed as President by a judicial decree?

Gotta love those hanging chads!!!



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posted on May, 1 2016 @ 10:39 AM
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originally posted by: dukeofjive696969
Sorry if this sounds silly, but how does that even work, i cant stand trump the man but isint this illegal at all, i know its not the election but arent there laws protecting this.


They're exposing explicitly that the will of the people is irrelevant. They will choose a candidate.

The facade is down, if anything Donald Trump's campaign has done at least that.

You were meant to choose between Hillary Clinton or Jeb Bush in this election cycle, that didn't quite work out for them, but they have backup plans...




posted on May, 1 2016 @ 10:40 AM
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originally posted by: BlueAjah
This is the end of the GOP.
They have shown that they completely disregard the will of the people.


Yes, it does make one wonder how the Electoral College math would ultimately work out if:

a) Hillary gets indicted...and socialist Bernie Sanders becomes the Democratic nominee
b) Cruz steals the GOP nomination on the 2nd/3rd Ballot...thereby splintering the Party, and completely angering GOP Primary voters, who clearly did not support him
c) Trump declares that he was, obviously, not "treated fairly" and so runs as an independent

Even if, under this scenario, Trump were to take the Presidency...how would he ever get anything done through Congress, with both the Democrats and Republicans lined up in opposition?

GOP supporters can only hope that Cruz loses in Indiana on Tuesday, and then comes under major pressure from the establishment to stand down and drop out, to avoid a total catastrophe.




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