I am starting to believe in God

a reply to: Gyo01

They are as real as Santa Claus and the Easter bunny.

a reply to: Gyo01
How do you know that? No one can answer that question. Science tries and works hard to figure it out - but at least science is looking for an answer.

The religious are happy to remain blissfully ignorant and rely solely on faith. Which is fine - if that's what someone needs in their life so be it.

But this goes back to my original reply which was an argument against clevargenius' statement that only the religious understand or can perform charity.

originally posted by: dffrntkndfnml
Metaphysics and philosophy also attempt to explain and understand the universe.

Alot of the posts in the thread assume the op is contemplating the idea of the "Christian" God.Western thoughthas a history of going much deeper when it comes to contemplating the nature of the divine.The Greeks for example shined in this department, the Stoics, Neoplatonists, and Pythagoreans to name a few.Hermetics is also worth taking a look at, all these framing the divine in the context of the natural laws operating in our lives...

The problem with natural law is it's untestable and subject to the philosopher who then applies their own philosophical mandate of natural law.

Scientific law *is* testable. It isn't meant to be subject to personal opinion or personal bias.

However I am not in the slightest saying natural law is incorrect or that it does not have its place.

originally posted by: noonebutme
The problem with natural law is it's untestable and subject to the philosopher who then applies their own philosophical mandate of natural law.

Scientific law *is* testable. It isn't meant to be subject to personal opinion or personal bias.

However I am not in the slightest saying natural law is incorrect or that it does not have its place.

True, I just don't know how far someone is going to get trying to quantify, what is largely the more qualitative side of life.I guess the closest science comes to that is the study of psychology.I feel the subjective nature of what the philosophers have suggested is the limiting factor to many investigating spirituality.

I think I believed on god, a few years back. I honestly can't recall.

And then my first daughter was stillborn at 35 weeks. And we had to go through the entire birth process, and hold our daughter in our arms - a mixture of happiness that she looked so peaceful, but agony that this moment would be the last we'd hold her. That's when I woke up, and realised it's all just a #ty game of chance.

I had a lot of people, priests included, that would be sympathetic (and kind, I should say) - but not one dared say "it's all part of the plan", or anything of that ilk. Because if they had, I'm not sure what I would have done.

My point is, as bad as my situation was, you've only got to look at the world around you to realise it is just an illusion, and ultimately we alone are responsible for our actions, and what happens. There is no, in my personal opinion, magical deity in control of anything. The sooner we realise this as a species, the better off we'll be.

Sorry - had to get that off my chest. Bit deep for a Sunday evening. Probably the first time I've ever shared this with anyone (so yeah, I figured the Internet would be the best place to do so! :/)

My condolences.I'm sorry for your loss, I can't imagine going through that.

originally posted by: youcanttellthepeople

My point is, as bad as my situation was, you've only got to look at the world around you to realise it is just an illusion, and ultimately we alone are responsible for our actions, and what happens. There is no, in my personal opinion, magical deity in control of anything. The sooner we realise this as a species, the better off we'll be.

Good point.I feel like collectively we may be at a crossroads as a species.I don't think anyone should shirk personal responsibility on the basis of religious belief.

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Chris.

a reply to: clevargenuis

originally posted by: Gyo01
a reply to: Miracula2

Anyone can change the words in a book. Wanna see me do it?

Yes. And an omnipotent God responsible for the creation of the universe. The sun's lasting nuclear presence. The diversity of life on earth....other galaxies.

Surely a God that did all of these things could keep humans from altering the book to the point that it creates inconsitencies so far out in left field that occur only a few chapters apart if it invalidates the book as a source of law that people are supposed to look to, to guide their behaviors and decision making regarding righteous conduct over evil conduct.

I think it's important to have your own relationship with the spirit world. Keep it in mind often and it will change you.

a reply to: Miracula2

I remember many moons ago i asked a catholic priest: the bible teaches that adam and eve had 2 sons, and "cain killed abel". Ok, but as they were the only off-springs from THAT garden how did we get here?. He gave a roundabout answer that this was a fable/story for children in learning, of what i'm not sure but maybe, killing?....

originally posted by: noonebutme
a reply to: clevargenuis

Perhaps, but in the context of what earth-based scriptures suggest, God is immortal and immaterial and created everything. Something which is a huge claim to make with no evidence to support it.

uh huh. To say life exists out there without having seen it = huge claim with no evidence. Explanations as to why alien life could exist is not the same as concrete evidence.

To say "aliens" exist but not God is special pleading. Its as bad as X group claiming "our deity exists but not yours"....or "green aliens exist but not gray ones".

lmao nobody really knows whats out there.

originally posted by: clevargenuis


I do agree with atheists that religions have caused problems but so what? democracy and capitalism also cause problems, it just depends on perspective. .

Capitalism and democracy have lifted more people out of poverty than any other system, allowed for the accumulation of wealth by average folks who previously would have lived as serfs. Communism and it's atheistic tenants were responsible for the murder of upwards of 100 million people world wide in the 20th century. Communism made religion look like pikers in the murdering people catagory.......just sayin.... and the glories of socialism are playing out right now in Venezuela with food riots lack of toilet paper and the division of prosperity gulf between the small "more equal than everyone else" socialist Cadre who back and profit emmensly from the socialist government and everyone else.

a reply to: noonebutme

It is understood that there are 11 dimensions.

Monotheisism isnt the answer, if youre going to play pretend and give an energy arms legs and a mouth in the real world, then you might as well play Incredible Hulk, Thor, Odin, Xerxes, Sponge Bob, Wonder Woman...

Or any monachere... Kinda like how the internet was before facebook got lets be real, you could be anybody. Like here I get to be BigBrotherDarkness and youre clevargenius. Isnt that good enough for make believe?

Its kinda like worlds colliding the more you thin about it... all the ¨regular¨people were offline like 15 years ago, and then with things like social networking everyone started being on there... and with face book, its like hey local and online people know you and all your friends and associates and everyone else. People all creeping around... knowing what youre doing. Who needs to play make believe when theres tech that makes people feel like gods hmmm wonder what so and so is doing? Lemme just look through the ol facebook... and see. Close to instant knowing of anything anyone wants to learn more about... So really whats the point?

If you want to believe in one god which one? If you say god help me who do you thing youre invoking? Could be any energy that is so deluded to think itself a god people like that in life are so obnoxious why in the world would you want to worship an energy like that? Ego all blown out of proportion full on insanity... but yeah lemme just start all worshiping on something random and have no idea what im trying to invoke, who im invoking, just some concept to get delusional about in fantasy land...

Um but hey if it floats your boat? It holds water...

a reply to: Miracula2

It is not creation rather eternal hardwired plot. Everything that can happen will happen, is happening, and has already happenned.

After the death of the Prohets, It is said that the last part of peophethood left with us is the true dreams. On your journey to the truth I have one simple advice; be sincere to yourself, that if you see the truth you will follow it. Ask God to guide you, you can just ask in your heart; God is all seeing and all hearing... Check out dreams in Islam, it is a top covered in much detail...

Cool thing is... after all the years and struggles people endured... you finally have the right to choose and peaceably accept and wholeheartedly live with whatever makes you happy.
Sad thing is... there are bad choices and consequences for those things.

I chose to believe in God because I like the idea of being a servant rather than a erring human who knows everything.........

Also.... smellies are a good way to know things aren't as great as you imagined. Bathrooms are.

a reply to: Gyo01

Not quite unlike telepathy. I gonna stop before I sound too crazy...

As if you did not know and already have experienced it.

Are we forced to censorship now again by those who have not started to analyze how information can be flow from one consciousness to another.

And you do not even have to look at spiritual text to see the scientific how it can be manifested. Quantum entanglement.

a reply to: clevargenuis

Talk about throwing yourself to the wolves...