Alabama city: Use bathrooms matching biological sex or face 6 months in jail.

a reply to: Annee

Right. Unless they somehow placed the camera IN the toilet they're not going to get very interesting footage. It's not like women are running around the bathroom with their va-jay-jays hanging out.

I'm WAY more concerned about bathroom stalls that don't have hooks than I am a MTF trannie in the bathroom. You have to put your jacket and purse on the floor. Yuck.

a reply to: gladtobehere

In all fairness, I would like to make two points, one this is just plain stupid the only reason this is even an issue is because somebody made some one else uncomfortable wah wah wah grow up. Two is it really necessary to annoy the vast majority of "normal" or "regular" people to satisfy the needs of a ridiculously small minority? If you make up less than 1% of a populous it is beyond ridiculous to think or behave like the other 99% are obligated to commit themselves to catering to you. Just shutup and use the unisex restroom.

Another SPECIAL meeting.

The Oxford, Ala., City Council is considering repealing a controversial ordinance it approved last week, imposing fines and jail terms on transgender people for using public restrooms that match their gender identity. The council will hold a special meeting at 2:30 p.m. Wednesday “to discuss potentially recalling” the ordinance, reports AL.com, a website for several Alabama newspapers.

www.advocate.com...

a reply to: gladtobehere

Good for them! Sorry, folks, but stalls aren't all that private. You can see through the gaps. Come on, who hasn't had a kid peek through once or twice?? A predator could use these laws to harass and even assault people, or take pictures, and so forth. It's common sense. I won't take my kids into a place that would allow a buy in the ladies' room, or vice versa. They don't want to have to deal with that. Target's decision means we avoid them now. Their loss.

This is a good law. It's there to protect people and to help prevent predators from using bathrooms to prey on the unsuspecting. As a parent, I don't want to have to worry about whether some perv is allowed to come into the ladies' room with my daughters. I'd have to take action, and that would not go well for that person.

Anyone who thinks the creeps out there wouldn't take advantage of such an opportunity is naive. Do you all let your kids online with no supervision or rules, too?

originally posted by: DOCHOLIDAZE1
a reply to: mamabeth

i am not saying there are not beautiful southern bells out there and isolated places of beautiful scenery, just not much and the big citys are enough to make me never want to go back. I have never seen trailer parks that went father then the eye can see and so many porn and liquor shops in such a condensed area, dont get me wrong i like booze and would be lying if i said i have never seen a porno, but at some point there is too much.

also the first 3 people i met tried to get over on me. It was a sad state in which i saw the south and i stand by my post, but my apologies to you ma'm no offense intended

I don't know where you went, but that's not typical of the South. Poor neighborhoods exist ll over. So do liquor stores. As for porn, where is that not, when allowed by local laws? More laws against that in the South than elsewhere, I'd think. I am Southern by birth, though not there at the moment. There are places that aren't nice but there are such places not in the South as well. Most is far different. Most Southerners are pleasant people, greeting strangers, helping one another, and so forth. It's places with a lot of transplants, in my experience, that aren't like that anymore.

Don't write off half the country. Lots of beautiful countryside down South, and some of the most beautiful mountains in the world. Most of the people are nice, too. I won't write off the whole North of the country because of places like Chicago and Detroit, or NYC.

I don't see this law as a "Southern thing", anyway, just one of common sense. Innies to one side and outies to the other, and that doesn't mean a navel! Just common sense.

a reply to: links234

I can post links as well, showing why a law like this is a good idea -

Man Dressed as Woman Hid in Mall Restroom to Videotape Ladies

Cops: Man Dressed as Woman Tries to Take Pictures in Dorm

Man dressed as a woman peeps on women in bathroom at Wal-Mart

Man arrested in bathroom stall assault at Circle Centre Mall

Man Dressed As Female Mannequin Arrested At Mall For Spying In Women's Restroom

That took only a couple of minutes. THAT is why a law like this is needed. Otherwise perverts like those can use the "gender identity" excuse as a reason to be in a restroom in the first place. With a law like this, they can legally be told they have to leave, and that can help prevent such crimes. At the least, it serves as a deterrent.

This really isn't complicated.

originally posted by: LadyGreenEyes
a reply to: gladtobehere

Good for them! Sorry, folks, but stalls aren't all that private. You can see through the gaps. ?

Some are, some aren't.

So, we deny rights to a minority out of paranoia?

Seems we've been down this road before.

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: LadyGreenEyes
a reply to: gladtobehere

Good for them! Sorry, folks, but stalls aren't all that private. You can see through the gaps. ?

Some are, some aren't.

So, we deny rights to a minority out of paranoia?

Seems we've been down this road before.

Most aren't. No one is denied a "right" by being told to use the bathroom that matches their junk. Most places also have a family bathroom or unisex one, so it isn't like those very few can't go. The issue is that people who are predators can use gender as an excuse to enter a restroom in order to prey on their intended victims. That's what this law is about, as stated plainly in the OP. I posted several links showing that this sort of thing could happen. I see you ignored those. Not surprised.

originally posted by: LadyGreenEyes

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: LadyGreenEyes
a reply to: gladtobehere

Good for them! Sorry, folks, but stalls aren't all that private. You can see through the gaps. ?

Some are, some aren't.

So, we deny rights to a minority out of paranoia?

Seems we've been down this road before.

Most aren't. No one is denied a "right" by being told to use the bathroom that matches their junk.

That's like telling you to go to the men's room as a man.

a reply to: Annee

Believe it or not, there are a whole lot of classy women who like to hide their bodily functions from men. You obviously are not one of them.

I can imagine sharing a unisex restroom with you Annee, when you have to let loose like this:

originally posted by: LadyGreenEyes
No one is denied a "right" by being told to use the bathroom that matches their junk...

Except these transgender high school girls. You really expect them to use the men's room? I seriously doubt you would if one of these kids was your daughter or at least I hope you wouldn't? If this was one of my kids, you can bet I'd be fighting tooth and nail for their right to use the girls room. The girl top left, Nicole Maines' parents did just and won their lawsuit against the school.

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: LadyGreenEyes

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: LadyGreenEyes
a reply to: gladtobehere

Good for them! Sorry, folks, but stalls aren't all that private. You can see through the gaps. ?

Some are, some aren't.

So, we deny rights to a minority out of paranoia?

Seems we've been down this road before.

Most aren't. No one is denied a "right" by being told to use the bathroom that matches their junk.

That's like telling you to go to the men's room as a man.

I don't even know what you mean there. Also, likely doesn't matter, because we both know, whatever the issue, we won't agree.

originally posted by: Freija

originally posted by: LadyGreenEyes
No one is denied a "right" by being told to use the bathroom that matches their junk...

Except these transgender high school girls. You really expect them to use the men's room? I seriously doubt you would if one of these kids was your daughter or at least I hope you wouldn't? If this was one of my kids, you can bet I'd be fighting tooth and nail for their right to use the girls room. The girl top left, Nicole Maines' parents did just and won their lawsuit against the school.

First, where is the proof of who anyone in those pictures is? Pics online can be claimed to be anything. Second, I wouldn't send my son to school dresses as a girl. Dressing up a guy in girls' clothing and makeup and wig or longer hair doesn't make the guy a girl. I wouldn't expect, either, for actual girls in a school to want my son, in whatever clothing, in their locker room or restroom. if someone is confused about who they are, the solution isn't to cater to them and tell everyone else they have to act like it's normal.

[i[]Gee, I think I feel like the president. I will go to DC and demand they allow me into the Oval Office, and give me authority to run the show. I mean, I really feel like that's where I am supposed to be. What? I can't? But that's how I feel!! How dare anyone not cater to my demands!

How is someone feeling like they aren't the sex they were born ANY different? If someone thinks they are Napoleon, they are called crazy, but of someone thinks they are the opposite sex, we are supposed to agree? Facilitating a mental condition does a disservice to the patient.

How does allowing any guy who claims, at any time, to "feel like" he's a girl into the girl's bathroom and locker rooms fair to the actual girls? Do you really think no regular guys would pull such a stunt, just for access? I have KNOWN people that would have done so. I know people who joked about such things. Now we want to make it legal? Not a good plan.

Someone with that issue needs concern, compassion, and treatment. They don't need to be told that they are right, and others are wrong. To me, not offering treatment, and coddling the condition, is no different from refusing to treat a medical issue. Appendicitis? Nah, don't treat it! Call it normal! It seems uncaring to me.

a reply to: LadyGreenEyes

I know arguing with you or trying to educate you about what transgender is would be completely pointless. You should consider you might not know what you're talking about though. Transgender girls are not boys playing dress up.



And this girl is a boy? What do you think of the chances of her causing a riot in the boy's bathroom.

a reply to: Freija

Whenever transgender issues come up this is all I seem to end up doing. So many of the comments that typically arise are so unimaginably stupid I want to gouge my eyeballs out instead of reading them.

I think, at first, I was weirded out by it, honestly. It's a thing that goes against what society has been taught for the past several thousand years or longer.

Later, I came to think of it as a bit iffy but no longer too strange. After all, I'm biologically male but also do and think and have interests that a lot of people would consider "girly" or feminine. I like doing my hair, I like jewelry, I tend to grow my nails long (though partially due to simply forgetting to cut them), and probably most majorly, I would prefer being "beautiful" or "pretty" over being "handsome." It's not that I see myself as a girl, though, I see myself as a in some ways girlish boy, and while theoretically I would want to be a girl (assuming I had the choice of being born one instead of male) it's not because that's "what I identify as", but because of rather simple logic: I like girls, therefore, I want to be one. In the same sort of way a child might want to be a superhero even if they don't think they're one. Even though I might say "I'd like being a girl" I definitely still identify as male, even if it's a small bit blurry.
In the end, I decided that transgender people were vaguely similar to me, but several steps further. Feeling strange about it was absurd.

And nowadays... I think I've truly reached the point where it's a "totally accepted" thing to me. Or I'm close to it, at least. I can imagine being romantically involved with one without any sense of "bad"ness. Even someone that hasn't had reassignment surgery. Because I'm attracted to feminine appearances, but the bits don't really matter. If she looks like a girl, sounds like a girl, acts like a girl, thinks she's a girl, then what's under the skirt doesn't really matter to me. Vajayjay, penis, or Barbie doll-like blankness, as long as it's not a horrific person-eating monster it's insignificant compared to everything else.
(This mindset is probably significantly assisted by myself not really caring about sex (the verb) though.)

And leading on from this my belief that part of the aversion (men) have to (m->f) transgender people is that they look at them and think "Wow, that person's really attracti-OMG IT USED TO BE A BOY!? (I'M NOT GAY!) EWEWEWEWEWEWEWWWWWW!!!!!"
Once you get over that it's no big deal. It's stupefying it's even an issue.

originally posted by: LadyGreenEyes

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: LadyGreenEyes

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: LadyGreenEyes
a reply to: gladtobehere

Good for them! Sorry, folks, but stalls aren't all that private. You can see through the gaps. ?

Some are, some aren't.

So, we deny rights to a minority out of paranoia?

Seems we've been down this road before.

Most aren't. No one is denied a "right" by being told to use the bathroom that matches their junk.

That's like telling you to go to the men's room as a man.

I don't even know what you mean there. Also, likely doesn't matter, because we both know, whatever the issue, we won't agree.

Are you a woman? You telling a transgender to go to the restroom that matches their body parts is same as me telling you to dress like a man and go to the men's restroom.

You know you are a woman. You know you don't belong in the men's room. Same with a transgender.

Their brain wiring tells them what gender they are, same as your brain wiring tells you what gender you are. If something happened to your physical body, if it was transfigured in some way - - you'd still know "in your head" you are a woman.

You not wanting to accept it, means nothing. It is not going to just vanish off the earth.

originally posted by: WeAre0ne
I can imagine sharing a unisex restroom with you Annee, when you have to let loose like this:

Doesn't bother me.

I honestly do not understand the big fuss about bodily functions.

originally posted by: LadyGreenEyes

originally posted by: Freija

originally posted by: LadyGreenEyes
No one is denied a "right" by being told to use the bathroom that matches their junk...

Except these transgender high school girls. You really expect them to use the men's room? I seriously doubt you would if one of these kids was your daughter or at least I hope you wouldn't? If this was one of my kids, you can bet I'd be fighting tooth and nail for their right to use the girls room. The girl top left, Nicole Maines' parents did just and won their lawsuit against the school.

First, where is the proof of who anyone in those pictures is?

Oh, come on.

Now that's just being silly.