Colorado May Replace Obamacare with Single Payer

originally posted by: sligtlyskeptical
This would be great for Colorado's business. With businesses not needing to provide health care to their workers, I could see a bunch of corporate relocations to Colorado if this becomes law.

Yes, except the extra in added taxes to hire someone makes up for the makeup in health care costs. Not to mention, they are still on the hook for all of the federal health care costs that Obamacare demands they make.

How would Colorado's plan supersede the Federal demand that employers over a certain size offer a plan? It can't, not if other states are not allowed to superseded Federal dictates in other areas. So what Colorado is doing is actually an added burden on top of those already mandated by Federal law.

originally posted by: jacobe001

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: CynConcepts

Never underestimate the power of "free" stuff.

Obamacare should more aptly be called Corporate Care.
It was never about free stuff. My premiums have gone up, those without always had it free, and insurance stocks are higher than ever.

It was a stealth bail out for the insurance industry.
One way or the other, the insurance industry is going to take a paycut because their prices are unsustainable in the global economy we have been thrown into. They will eventually run out of other peoples money.

The insurance industry was sold a bill of goods same as we all were.

The TIDES Foundation freely admits that Obamacare was a Trojan horse designed to destroy the system and make people clamor for single payer because they knew people would never accept it as it was. The greedy corporate cronies are all going to be set for life, but they sold their own businesses up a creak. It won't matter to them if the model they singed on for ultimately fails because they will have theirs, and the government will get to ride in looking like white knights to "save" us with a plan they design to "save" us from a plan they designed.

Did you or did you not see the testimony from Gruber, one of the architects of the plan, about how they relied on the generally stupidity and economic illiteracy of the American voter in order to get it through Congress?

I'm actually for this.

This is the only way single payer works. At the small, state level.

It will also be a good experiment for all states to reference to see if the system would work for them or not.

originally posted by: jacobe001

originally posted by: schuyler
So what happens to those who do not work, are unemployed, etc. Does the "payroll tax" subsidize these folks?

Those people always got free healthcare when they just went to the emergency room and left others to pay for it.
I think others would still be paying for it

But today those people are required to have insurance, and many do. I'm one of them and I've never received free health care at an emergency room in my life. So that really doesn't answer the question. How are the people who are not working plugged into a system that relies on a payroll tax to fund it? Percentage wise that is a huge hole.

Let's hope wiser heads prevail ....

Pelosi: "We Have to Pass the Bill So That You Can Find Out What Is In It"

It'll be great for all the illegals!

a reply to: schuyler

It's about as logical as allowing people to stay on their parents' insurance until they turn 27 and then telling everyone that the 22 to 34 demographic was going to be the main one funding Obamacare.

originally posted by: ketsuko

The insurance industry was sold a bill of goods same as we all were.

The TIDES Foundation freely admits that Obamacare was a Trojan horse designed to destroy the system and make people clamor for single payer because they knew people would never accept it as it was.

Sorry but I don't see it that when one follows the money.
I think Occam's Razor applies here perfectly.

The Healthcare and Insurance Industry sit at the very top of the Lobby Totem Pole with the most doled out to politicians.

Corporate and Banking Lobbyists own our government and get what they want.

Can you explain to me what the conspiracy is behind NAFTA, GATT and the TPP brought about by Organized Corporate Lobbyists?
I think the simplest explanation is Greed. No Conspiracy needed

a reply to: jacobe001

You are making the mistake of mixing multinational interests with strictly US ones. Insurance companies are not multinational. The companies in those trade treaties you mention would be.

The single-payer plan would be funded by a payroll tax of 10%, of which employers would pay 6.7% and workers 3.3%. An additional 10% tax on investment income, income from the self-employed, and some small business income would be pay for the program as well.

And THAT people is how 'single payer' works.

Dunno why they call it that.

Sure isn't close to being a 'single payer'.

Careful what you wish for.

You WILL get screwed.

a reply to: projectvxn

How could you possibly be for this crap ?

The single-payer plan would be funded by a payroll tax of 10%, of which employers would pay 6.7% and workers 3.3%. An additional 10% tax on investment income, income from the self-employed, and some small business income would be pay for the program as well.

Employers forced to pay the majority.

Workers still PAYING for with investment income. That means their pensions,IRA's, and capital gains from home sales.

Small business owners that are already shelling out MORE than their 'fair share'.

Don't think medicare,and medicaid is going anywhere. Employers, and people still will be forced to pay for it.

a reply to: neo96

Because I want the experiment to pan out before the people.

It either works or it doesn't.

originally posted by: projectvxn
a reply to: neo96

Because I want the experiment to pan out before the people.

It either works or it doesn't.

I'd rather not the people of Colorado get quadruple taxed experiment or not.

Hell they even legalized weed, and what did they do?

They went full blown King George with taxation without representation.

a reply to: neo96

It's as simple as using federalism to establish what does and doesn't work.

The Swiss have an excellent healthcare system and it is socialized. They have a small population that is generally healthy. What many socialists don't get is that their plans don't work the larger the population.

My concerns for a State in the US running a single payer system are as follows:

How are you going to prevent illegals from using the system paid for and meant for taxpayers.

How are you going to bring costs down on the supply side(rather than just focusing on the consumer side).

How will testing and treatments be handled?

Who decides what tests and treatments are necessary? The State or the Doctor?

Does the patient have a relationship with the doctor or will there be a State intermediary?

If these issues cannot be addressed then the system WILL fail.