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originally posted by: dogstar23
a reply to: ketsuko
It's not a cop-out, it's just reality. Do you really think it could happen in the US without it turning into a huge bonanza for moneyed interests, rather than savings for individuals and businesses?
Also, I'm not socialist, though I do believe nationalized healthcare is in our best interests. 17% of our GDP and growing is a much bigger threat to the nation than any terrorist organization could ever hope to be.
originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: CynConcepts
I would say that it would add fuel to those four or five rural counties who were trying to secede from Colorado to either join neighboring states or convince counties from neighboring states that were just as rural to likewise secede and form a new state with them.
originally posted by: xuenchen
The State of Colorado in a "Pikes Peak or Bust" moment has a thing on their ballot this November to actually initiate a single payer health system.
According to a recent New York Times article, the insurance industry and conservative groups are already lining up to oppose the plan.
originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: CynConcepts
Never underestimate the power of "free" stuff.
originally posted by: Greggers
I am all for single payer, but I have my doubts it can work at the state level. I think it has to be done at the national level to work.
Meanwhile, as Americans are suffering from rising costs and less access to quality health care, the biggest winners from the passage of Obamacare are the insurance giants. In the aftermath of the government health care takeover, there has been an explosion of health insurance company profits, windfalls and megamergers. As “stock market darlings,” health insurance company profits have skyrocketed to all-time highs and stocks have split even thanks to the health care law.
originally posted by: schuyler
So what happens to those who do not work, are unemployed, etc. Does the "payroll tax" subsidize these folks?
originally posted by: Greggers
originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: dogstar23
... if done right (which it probably wouldn't be) ...
I love this phrase. I see it attached to so many socialist proposals. It's almost like you are setting yourselves an out from the beginning ...
Kind of like capitalist proposals, which have a long, storied history of not being implemented correctly, both here in this country and abroad.
originally posted by: lightedhype
Bottom line is something needs to be done about current healthcare prices. As another post pointed out, currently the prices are inflated about 5x because the hospital has to over charge the health insurance companies greatly or they wont get enough. They overcharge and then settle. It is ludicrous.
Pharmaceuticals/Health Products $3,146,090,212
Insurance $2,190,651,832
Electric Utilities $2,013,127,133
Electronics Mfg & Equip $1,823,347,451
Business Associations $1,811,811,643
Oil & Gas $1,715,405,541
Misc Manufacturing & Distributing $1,416,425,661
Education $1,399,862,870
Hospitals/Nursing Homes $1,310,021,801
Telecom Services $1,271,840,866
Securities & Investment $1,264,774,284
Civil Servants/Public Officials $1,216,181,432
Real Estate $1,215,135,758
Health Professionals $1,189,983,794
Air Transport $1,125,384,003
Misc Issues $929,225,311
Automotive $891,793,138
Defense Aerospace $887,354,553
Health Services/HMOs $863,410,051
TV/Movies/Music $851,379,595
originally posted by: ketsuko
I can't wait until health care works exactly the same way!