originally posted by: BO XIAN
I just recall reading a very convincing narrative that the Mogul stuff did NOT OCCUR historically until after the Roswell crash and therefore could
not have been the military project that Roswell was purportedly mistaken for. I was convinced on reading whatever I read at that time that the whole
Mogul explanation was a total stupid charade.
Moguls Field Operations Director Albert Crary kept a journal of his activities that would say differently. In the "official capacity" Mogul was first
launched with a full array
on June 5, 1947:
The first phase of NYU launches in Alamogordo was from May 28th until June 7th, the second from June 27 until July 8th. Flights 6, 7, 8, 9, and 10
were all launches before July 8th. The Roswell "flying disc/saucer" story was reported on July 8th. So that fits into the window of your claim of
"Mogul stuff did NOT OCCUR historically until after the Roswell crash" when 5 launches occurred before that date.
As for the Roswell "alien spacecraft", from Crarys diary entry on June 4th:
Now imagine a "regular" NYU balloon arrangement, as shown below, being launched on the June 4th:
This isn't a full Mogul balloon array as shown below with a radiosonde transmitter (which replaced the radar targets on flight #5), parachute,
recovery tags, etc:
Instead, it could have been one of two things. A field test with constant-level balloons launched with several radar targets attached for testing
using the existing Alamogordo V-2 rocket radar. The NYU team used multiple targets assuming tracking would be easier. This proved inadequate and was
replaced by the radiosonde transmitter and receiver used on Mogul flight #5 the next day. The flight also could have been the setup for Mogul flight
#4, (which I think is the most likely scenario) but scrapped because of clouds and still launched seeing as the balloons would have been inflated
early in the morning and targets attached. The lower portion with the ballast, lift equipment, squibs, parachute, etc. weren't included on the
So you have a recorded balloon launch on June 4th, that likely had multiple balloons, radar targets, and the sonobouy listed for recording. It would
be the 4th flight in succession from the first launched at Alamogordo on May 29th (#3), one the next day (#5), and the two previous in the northeast.
The radar targets used by the NYU group had gone through several changes because of previous problems of breakup in flight according to Charles Moore.
The radar target material and their properties used on the first flights:
Balsa wood sticks dipped in an Elmers Glue type of substance
Foil with a strong backing
Reinforcing tape to help attach the foil/paper to the sticks
On #22 on the ML-307C
/AP radar target blueprint, it has the following notation for some of the seams:
"SHALL BE 'SCOTCH' ACETATE FILM TAPE (?) AS MADE BY MINNESOTA MINING & MFG CO ST PAUL, MINN OR EQUAL"
This has been pointed out before, but during the time period, Scotch, Texcel, Sellophane, Durex, and others made acetate/cellophane tape with printed
designs. The bottom right photograph is to illustrate the varied purposes for tape:
With one of the companies above, or any targets that were said to be produced in China or Japan, it's possible that purple/pink tape with floral or
"tape with flowers printed upon it" as Mac Brazel described, could have been printed on the attached tape.
Strip away the flight number notations and the name Mogul. Focus on a balloon flight that was launched on June 4th by the NYU balloon group carrying
3+ balloons, 3 or more radar targets, and a sonobouy as shown above. It's lost because of poor tracking of the targets and not recovered. Winds carry
the flight north, as with flight #5 which crashed 25 miles east of Roswell the next day. Mac Brazel find the debris 10 days later. He picks up and
stows away a portion of the debris noticing nothing that extraordinary about it other than maybe the amount and the fact that it was scattered and
broken up into pieces over a large area and wasn't intact like the previous 1 balloon/1 target weather balloons he likely found. On June 24th, 10 days
later, the Kenneth Arnold's flying saucer story comes out and is carried across the country. UFO recovery rewards begin to be offered. Brazel now
wonders, with a reward in mind and 2 weeks later, if he found pieces of a flying saucer because of the unusual amount of debris, when previously what
he found was of no consequence to him.
It baffles me how seemingly intelligent people gloss over the fact that in June/July 1947 80 miles southwest of the crash site in Alamogordo, balloons
were being launched carrying radar targets constructed with the small sticks and foil exactly
as the claimed construction of an alien
spacecraft. The fact alone of the small sticks and foil, even without the supporting evidence of a balloon program, points to human construction of
radar targets of the time and area. The arguments that Mogul flight #4 was never launched mean nothing when you look at Crary's journal stating a
"regular" or simple balloon array was
launched with parts likely consistent with what Brazel found.
edit on 18-5-2016 by Ectoplasm8
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