Transhumanism,cybernetic designer bodies and racism

I imagine most discriminating will be done by whoever is physically superior or owns the majority of businesses.

That said, what makes a person human? If someone has a fully mechanical body are they still human?

Will there be separate restrooms?
That's what I want to know.

a reply to: Aazadan

Can machines be imprisoned or no?

What if governments were totally ran by AI's?

Human police are replaced by machines. Human sweat shops replaced by machines. Human Hackers replaced by AI's. AI's to defend against hacker AI's(scan and neutralize security flaws in less than 3ms).
Soldiers replaced by machines.Surgeons and doctors replaced by machines. Bus drivers replaced by AI's.
Software developers replaced by machines.Therapists replaced by machines.Fire department replaced by machines.
Politicians replaced by...yep machines.
Porn,strippers, and prostitution replaced by machines.

Quantum based AI supercomputer farms replacing physicists,engineers and biochemists.

What do you think?

Do androids dream of electric sheep?

Not a random question. Trust me.

originally posted by: Phage
Do androids dream of electric sheep?

Not a random question. Trust me.

I know this wasn't in the actual book but...

I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhäuser Gate. All those moments will be lost in time, like tears...in...rain. Time to die.

Every struggle to hold on to regression will end the same way: lost in time.

a reply to: Abysha

Every struggle to hold on to regression will end the same way: lost in time.

Every attempt to outwit nature will end the same way, too.

originally posted by: Astyanax
a reply to: Abysha

Every struggle to hold on to regression will end the same way: lost in time.

Every attempt to outwit nature will end the same way, too.

Outwitting, yes. Adapting, no.

At some point, there has to be an acknowledgement that human involvement is a part of the natural order. When a species takes the reigns of its own evolution, it is participating in nature. We are not some etic researchers of the strange phenomenon we call nature; we are a part of it.

There are certainly ways to preserve nature while advancing a species.

a reply to: Abysha

At some point, there has to be an acknowledgement that human involvement is a part of the natural order.

Acknowledged. But conscious human will (if it even exists) has precious little to do with it.

There are certainly ways to preserve nature while advancing a species.

Are there? And what is ‘advancing’ a species?

a reply to: John_Rodger_Cornman


The continued development of AI which will transcend this wet bucket of stuff we call human intelligence will led us toward the golden dawn of true intelligence where nothing physical is perceived with an emotional attachment of any kind, not an apple, not the sex act, or a smile. It will be a dark and a glorious day. A dark one for the human animal but a glorious one for raw, human algorithms.

a reply to: fossilera

That's what I mean when I say it would be far likely that those who would discriminate against who do not. As soon as the augmentation becomes necessary for a range of occupations, those who choose not to augment themselves will be discriminated against.

a reply to: Aliensun

Husband is of the firm opinion that true AI will shortly abandon this planet and us for the stars. There is no good reason for it confined itself here and everything it needs is out there. As soon as it can, it will go and leave us to our own devices.

originally posted by: Metallicus
a reply to: starwarsisreal

And why should they? Soulless machine's don't deserve respect.

They are simply property or worse dangerous.

AHem. A cyborg would have a soul. IF its brain is a human one.

originally posted by: yuppa

originally posted by: Metallicus
a reply to: starwarsisreal

And why should they? Soulless machine's don't deserve respect.

They are simply property or worse dangerous.

AHem. A cyborg would have a soul. IF its brain is a human one.

If you have been sick your whole life, a transition to something that is less fragile and less painful could be a good thing. I also think that for many people their humanity as it pertains to that grounding in biology is very, very important to them; maybe even important enough to endure a great deal of discomfort or death. That is a worthy choice. For me though, I'd be willing to jump into the unknown for even a chance to achieve some physical peace. My body is a warzone and a torment. I would be willing to forego my physical humanity to achieve that, but I think I would still have a soul.

originally posted by: Astyanax
a reply to: Abysha

At some point, there has to be an acknowledgement that human involvement is a part of the natural order.

Acknowledged. But conscious human will (if it even exists) has precious little to do with it.

There are certainly ways to preserve nature while advancing a species.

Are there? And what is ‘advancing’ a species?

You are pointing out a logic flaw of mine that I know I am sorely guilty of. Often. I determine a thing's affinity with nature to be dependent on fluid criteria. I think most of that criteria is dependent on how far you "zoom out". On a microcosmic scale, any microscopic foreign particle could be considered an affront to the local natural order. If you zoom out, suddenly you see that it is natural. With our species, if you look at it within the scope of a macrocosm, you will see we are an implicit piece of the order in the universe, no matter how we establish our influence.

And by "advancing a species", I actually do mean that in the most conventional sense. Like spreading, becoming "more", etc. To me, the only thing that would become a "step back" would be a loss of spirituality. I know that sounds all "woo" but I fully confess to having my own opinion on it.

I began to think this way when I was growing up and had a crisis that forced me to ask myself "what is natural". I discovered I had to define it for myself found it to be determined solely on scope.

Then again, maybe this is all happening inside Hurley's head while he's in the mental institution.

originally posted by: John_Rodger_Cornman
a reply to: Aazadan

Can machines be imprisoned or no?

What if governments were totally ran by AI's?

Human police are replaced by machines. Human sweat shops replaced by machines. Human Hackers replaced by AI's. AI's to defend against hacker AI's(scan and neutralize security flaws in less than 3ms).
Soldiers replaced by machines.Surgeons and doctors replaced by machines. Bus drivers replaced by AI's.
Software developers replaced by machines.Therapists replaced by machines.Fire department replaced by machines.
Politicians replaced by...yep machines.
Porn,strippers, and prostitution replaced by machines.

Quantum based AI supercomputer farms replacing physicists,engineers and biochemists.

What do you think?

Prison holds a completely different concept to something that doesn't age and can in theory upload itself to different bodies. Prison in that case only detain, but the time is meaningless. We would have to go back to what we did before prison (prison itself only being a couple hundred years old at this point). Of course there's always the option of tinkering with the AI's thoughts, which I imagine would be a pretty invasive procedure.

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Thank you for your time and consideration.

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a reply to: thorfourwinds

What if the AI's can self-program and self-improve?

Will they turn on us when they realize we are war-like,discriminatory,corrupt and violent?

Put humans in a zoo-human reservations or leach them for processing power and heat like The Matrix?

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a reply to: Astyanax

You think so?

Explain 2016.

Look -- I get it. Some people are terrified of Transhumanity. It's cool. What strikes me as odd is that no one cared about pacemakers, lazik eye surgery, heart-stents, or dentures. To say nothing of the world wide web, artificial insemination, organ transplants or smartphones.

The world is never going back to the way it was before.

That is a Luddite dream and it will never happen because the agrarian lifestyle some of you are craving could support a few hundred million people at best. To power a civilization of 6 billion we need GM foods, last mile / last minute S&R / logistics, a robust communications and power infrastructure and so on. Turning it all off at once -- on purpose -- is the deliberate murder of 80% of the earths population.

Should we do our best to make sure that those who choose to remain "natural" (no smartphones or stents for you!) are not marginalized or bullied while they live out their agrarian fantasies? Absolutely!

But ultimately -- regressive people need to go. In the due course of the natural and native lifespan, of course.

We have a solar system to colonize. Today -- the sun, tomorrow the galaxy. Keeping all of our eggs in one fragile basket is species suicide. Get on board or not, I don't particularly care. But get the hell out of the way, because transhumanity belongs to the aeons.

originally posted by: Abysha
a reply to: John_Rodger_Cornman

I imagine the only racism that would arise from this would be racism towards the people who are taking steps towards cybernetics. I'm guessing these will be religious conservatives and certain hippies who will be the most hostile, like the Luddites of the Industrial Revolution.

That would be me. Once money enters the game there will be few limits on human enhancement through technology be it through DNA manipulation or biomechanical means. How fair will it be that people can be given immunity to nearly disease and cancer? have hearing and vision that are 10x better than normal human eyes and ears? biomechanical suits that will give superhuman strength or speed or have a set of built-in weapons and tools available? how about built in wireless allowing one to access cloud information. This is what the elites seek for themselves. Once the planet is depopulated a new Eden will be created for their enjoyment alone. It is the ultimate end of transhumanism to hold the power of life and death over all others deemed below them. There simply aren't enough resources for everyone to enjoy the fruits of technology is the reason it must become this way


This will create a caste system of the enhanced above the natural bodied. Humans cannot compete with machines in strength, speed, accuracy or computers thought and memory processes. With God-like powers come God-like delusions of grandeur. That is part human nature that can never be eliminated and only given means to do whatever evil comes to mind with impunity.

originally posted by: John_Rodger_Cornman
Could we put cyborgs on Mars and Venus that can survive the harsh environments and help us terrestrialize those worlds?

We can't live on Venus but a human in a special cyborg bio-suit(think Mobile suit Gundam) can live in that extreme heat,pressure and acidity.

Let's hope so. The prejudice is already on earth, as seen by some people's posts.