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Hungry Citizens of Socialist State Raid Stores for Bread

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posted on May, 1 2016 @ 02:11 PM
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a reply to: ThirdEyeofHorus

Yes. The state cannot adequately plan an economy, and the corruption of the state run system didn't help.

Venezuelans are fighting the added problem of currency hyperinflation.




posted on May, 1 2016 @ 02:13 PM
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a reply to: daskakik
Nope Project is correct It's called corporate welfare with the key word being welfare. Arbitrarily transferring wealth from individual citizens to government welfare programs of any kind is socialist, just like the citizens picked up the tab for Solyndra, AIG, and the auto.



posted on May, 1 2016 @ 02:14 PM
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Yea, I get it Ketsuko. The top picture "evil capitalism" is really true. Packed shelves with all manner of food stuffs.
But the reason for that is nobady can afford the food. THAT'S WHY IT'S STILL ON THE SHELVES.



posted on May, 1 2016 @ 02:16 PM
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If both capitalism and socialism failed, then what is your answer or solution?

How about some data on Venezuelan econ?

In fact, Venezuela’s per capita GDP reached its all-time low in 2003, under Chávez. This is no surprise: Making well-off countries poor and poor countries starving is what socialists do.


but the idea that there was some kind of general economic renaissance in Venezuela under Chávezism isn’t supported by the data. What we see is an economy that threw off a lot of money when oil prices were high (Venezuela is something close to a single-commodity economy) during which time Chávez seized everything he could get his hands on in order to enrich himself and his cronys, and to purchase political support at home and abroad. The obscene spectacle of U.S. congressmen such as Chaka Fattah of Philadelphia and other Democrats groveling before the murderous autocrat in exchange for a few measly barrels of subsidized heating oil sticks in the memory.


Somehow, at the end of that roller-coaster ride, Chávez’s daughter acquired a net worth of $4.2 billion.


For example, a $40 billion project “created” more than 5,000 MW of new capacity, but only 3,300 MW became available for consumption. How? The answer to that riddle, and not das Kapital, is the real socialist master-text: mismanagement, incompetence, and corruption. The cost of those projects ran on average two-and-a-half times over estimates — while producing less power than they were supposed to.

www.nationalreview.com...
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posted on May, 1 2016 @ 02:20 PM
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originally posted by: ThirdEyeofHorus
Nope Project is correct It's called corporate welfare with the key word being welfare. Arbitrarily transferring wealth from individual citizens to government welfare programs of any kind is socialist, just like the citizens picked up the tab for Solyndra, AIG, and the auto.

Nobody said it didn't exist. I said it wasn't invented by chavez.



posted on May, 1 2016 @ 02:22 PM
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originally posted by: crayzeed
a reply to: ketsuko
Yea, I get it Ketsuko. The top picture "evil capitalism" is really true. Packed shelves with all manner of food stuffs.
But the reason for that is nobady can afford the food. THAT'S WHY IT'S STILL ON THE SHELVES.



No, the reason the shelves are still full is because of supply and demand. We went shopping this morning, and the store was busy with stockers putting stuff on the shelves as quickly as it was bought. An efficient supply chain makes sure there are never empty shelves as does a system of competing stores who know that if they are out of a popular item, their shoppers go to a competitor and may choose to shop there in the future.

In the socialist system, it doesn't matter. They are all owned by the state and if they aren't directly, part of their supply line is. So they are dependent on the bureaucracy getting them what they need. As there is no competition, who cares if the goods actually get there on time or what goods get there? No one can go anywhere else.



posted on May, 1 2016 @ 02:26 PM
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originally posted by: ThirdEyeofHorus
If both capitalism and socialism failed, then what is your answer or solution?

Maybe there isn't one.

The thing is that people keep championing both of these failed systems and then both say that it wasn't real socialism or real capitalism when a failure is pointed out.

How about being honest for a start?



posted on May, 1 2016 @ 02:28 PM
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Don't be dishonest, that play existed long before chavez was even born.


Why is that being dishonest? We're talking about Venezuela right? What did Chavez do? Seized companies by force and nationalized them..Right?



posted on May, 1 2016 @ 02:29 PM
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originally posted by: crayzeed
a reply to: ketsuko
Yea, I get it Ketsuko. The top picture "evil capitalism" is really true. Packed shelves with all manner of food stuffs.
But the reason for that is nobady can afford the food. THAT'S WHY IT'S STILL ON THE SHELVES.



WRONG.

If that were the case prices would be driven down and people would again be able to buy them. That is a market force that is often tampered with by socialists. Price controls lead to shortages.



posted on May, 1 2016 @ 02:31 PM
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originally posted by: projectvxn
Why is that being dishonest? We're talking about Venezuela right? What did Chavez do? Seized companies by force and nationalized them..Right?

All kinds of governments do the same and they are not considered socialist and it isn't just a chavez move.
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posted on May, 1 2016 @ 02:31 PM
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Venezuela is plagued by many things. Government corruption, corporate corruption (yes corporate) they do have some capitalist ventures that have effected the situation. Billions have been embezzled by energy companies and contractors that were supposed to build new facilities. Their pipelines need to be replaced because they are old and leaky which has also depleted the resiviores until the drought it wasn't a high priority.

They were set up to get most of their power from hydroelectric dams, but they have been experiencing a three year drought that has emptied most reservoirs. They are very oil rich, but for it to be lucrative oil needs to be above 100$ a barrel and it is around $50 now.

Corruption has been a problem there for decades no matter which type of government was in place.
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posted on May, 1 2016 @ 02:43 PM
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All kinds of governments do the same and they are not considered socialist and it isn't just a chavez move.


Yes, I get that. Can we move on please?

I never said the dude invented the idea. Only that it is part of his playbook as it was many before him.



posted on May, 1 2016 @ 02:45 PM
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lol democratic socialism.
really how low have iqs got around here?
the principle of socialism is no private companies, name a couple of these nations trying that out, please.

if you're high water mark for a country is venezuela, you must live in cambodia or some similar failed country.



posted on May, 1 2016 @ 02:49 PM
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Here you go. A list of industries and companies Chavez nationalized.

They include oil, agriculture, steel, finance, heavy industry, gold, telecom, transportation, tourism, and power.
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posted on May, 1 2016 @ 02:51 PM
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originally posted by: projectvxn
Yes, I get that. Can we move on please?

Move on to what? Capitalist nations have nationalized sectors. Pointing out that it is dishonest to say it is a chavez thing or a socialist thing was my point.



posted on May, 1 2016 @ 03:49 PM
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Capitalist nations have nationalized sectors.


Which is anti-capitalist.



posted on May, 1 2016 @ 04:05 PM
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Which falls under this



posted on May, 1 2016 @ 04:12 PM
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originally posted by: daskakik
a reply to: projectvxn

Which falls under this


No it doesn't.

When you prevent capitalism from working by nationalizing the company rather than letting it fail, it is not a failure of capitalism, but adventurism in Socialist policy.



posted on May, 1 2016 @ 04:21 PM
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originally posted by: projectvxn
No it doesn't.

When you prevent capitalism from working by nationalizing the company rather than letting it fail, it is not a failure of capitalism, but adventurism in Socialist policy.

Sure does because pure capitalism has never existed.

Saying this or that failure is because it wasn't real capitalism is naive and no better than socialists saying that venezuela is not real socialism.



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posted on May, 1 2016 @ 04:52 PM
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Except nationalization IS a socialist policy. Always has been and always will be. It is only the socialist who suggest such stupidities.



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