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Hungry Citizens of Socialist State Raid Stores for Bread

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posted on May, 1 2016 @ 12:28 PM
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a reply to: movingmyeye

Understand that corruption is feature, not a bug, of any system. The question you have to ask then is which system allows people to dodge the effects of it most effectively?

I would say that Venezuela and it's socialism fails that test.

Simply put, the only system allowed there is the state, and if the state is corrupt and the only alternative, then everyone is screwed by the corruption. Again, we are talking about ... we just didn't find the right people to run it.

So I guess the conclusion is that if we institute state run central planning, no one except pure, Mosther Theresa-level saints better be let anywhere near the bureaucracy at any level? Yeah, good luck with that.




posted on May, 1 2016 @ 01:15 PM
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a reply to: xuenchen

You so sure this has anything to do with Venezuelan policies
or the incredible sabotage by so called "Capitalists" that has decimated this country from end to end.

Everything is nicely backwards in this talk.

Any members from Venezuela on here ?



posted on May, 1 2016 @ 01:23 PM
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a reply to: ParasuvO

It's 100% the Venezuelan government.

No other excuses are valid.




posted on May, 1 2016 @ 01:27 PM
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a reply to: ParasuvO

Whenever socialism fails they either weren't doing it right, didn't have the right people, or the capitalists did it.

How many more pathetic excuses for failure can be created I wonder?



posted on May, 1 2016 @ 01:34 PM
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Its just the people rising against. They did it once backing chavez, against capitalism, and they are doing it again against socialism.

If your honest you would call that failures of both systems but you can't do that when you have an agenda.



posted on May, 1 2016 @ 01:37 PM
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a reply to: daskakik

The mere presence of lopsided Socialism is the problem.




posted on May, 1 2016 @ 01:38 PM
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a reply to: daskakik

So the people rising against are creating the empty store shelves? They create the bread lines? We saw these in the Soviet Union too.

It is a problem in the system. A centrally planned system cannot adequately anticipate all the variables of an economy and shortages are inevitable, then when you add in the corruption, it only gets much worse. Things spiral out of control and you end up with Venezuela.



posted on May, 1 2016 @ 01:43 PM
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originally posted by: xuenchen
The mere presence of lopsided Socialism is the problem.

This time but last time that wasn't the case.



posted on May, 1 2016 @ 01:45 PM
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a reply to: ketsuko

You might want to read my post again, maybe a little slower to catch what is being said.



posted on May, 1 2016 @ 01:45 PM
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originally posted by: daskakik

originally posted by: xuenchen
The mere presence of lopsided Socialism is the problem.

This time but last time that wasn't the case.


Sure it was.




posted on May, 1 2016 @ 01:53 PM
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a reply to: daskakik

I read it. You are attributing Venezuela's problems to the people, not the leadership. You claimed they rose up against capitalism to install Chavez, and now they are rising against Socialism to install ... What exactly?

Thing is, if socialism had worked, they wouldn't be rising up would they?

And Chavez didn't do what he initially promised. He came to power on platform of populist eat the rich rhetoric that scared off both foreign investors and his own middle class who feared for their property rights. He abolished his own congress and supreme court meaning that all he had to do was act and those fears would become reality.



posted on May, 1 2016 @ 01:53 PM
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originally posted by: lightedhype
Yea and it is so perfect here.


We actually have a mixed economy, that is a combination of socialist welfare programs, capitalist market, and Keynesian economic policies from the Fed. Hard to tell what is really working and what isn't.



posted on May, 1 2016 @ 01:55 PM
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originally posted by: projectvxn

Whenever socialism fails they either weren't doing it right, didn't have the right people, or the capitalists did it.

How many more pathetic excuses for failure can be created I wonder?


When capitalism fails you blame the socialists so don't get all high and mighty like you're ideas are so original.



posted on May, 1 2016 @ 01:57 PM
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originally posted by: ParasuvO
a reply to: xuenchen

You so sure this has anything to do with Venezuelan policies
or the incredible sabotage by so called "Capitalists" that has decimated this country from end to end.

Everything is nicely backwards in this talk.

Any members from Venezuela on here ?




Really? What capitalists are there to interfere with Venezuelan policy? The oil industry was nationalized (remember socialists just hate nationalism of all forms....) and oil is what drives the economic condition of the country, is what produced all the wealth, and Chavez ruined that with excess even before he died.



posted on May, 1 2016 @ 01:59 PM
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When capitalism fails you blame the socialists so don't get all high and mighty like you're ideas are so original.


When a company fails it affects that company and the people who work there.

Bailing out corporations and nationalizing them isn't capitalism. That's a Hugo Chavez playbook.

Fact is, if a facet of capitalism fails(companies, small businesses, and what not) it doesn't take the whole nation with it. It doesn't create bread lines.

In fact another company with a better business plan takes its place.

When socialism fails the whole nation fails.



posted on May, 1 2016 @ 02:01 PM
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originally posted by: ketsuko
I read it. You are attributing Venezuela's problems to the people, not the leadership.


No, I'm saying that the people stood up against a failed system before and they are doing it again, not because it's their fault, but because both systems failed.


edit on 1-5-2016 by daskakik because: (no reason given)



posted on May, 1 2016 @ 02:03 PM
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originally posted by: projectvxn
Bailing out corporations and nationalizing them isn't capitalism. That's a Hugo Chavez playbook.

Don't be dishonest, that play existed long before chavez was even born.



posted on May, 1 2016 @ 02:07 PM
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a reply to: ketsuko

The bread lines in the Soviet Union were created by the State due to an imbalance between supply and demand because of the State run central planning, that is when the State tries to determine how much of what to produce instead of the market producing what is needed to fill demand. So the people apparently had money in their pockets but not enough of the basic supply of meat and other things. Also, there was a different line for each item.



posted on May, 1 2016 @ 02:08 PM
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a reply to: projectvxn

That's because a system of Government isn't defined by Capitalism. That is an economic model. Socialism incorporates more into it than just the economy or business.

America was founded as a Democratic Republic. That is the system of Government. Capitalism is the business model being used within it not how the Government is run.

I'm not sure why we even spend so much time debating the two since Capitalism isn't a system of Government anyway.



posted on May, 1 2016 @ 02:09 PM
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a reply to: ThirdEyeofHorus

You forgot to add in the corporatist/crony elements that trend toward an oligarchy structure.



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