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Hungry Citizens of Socialist State Raid Stores for Bread

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posted on May, 1 2016 @ 08:31 AM
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a reply to: JAY1980

Taxes go up slightly for most of America but the wealthy get hit the hardest. Are you wealthy?

Who do you support? Idiot Trump, who literally has no plan, just a big mouth? Both Cruz and Trumps tax plans benefit the wealthy, shockingly Cruz's plans benefit the rich more than Trumps. Clinton's tax plan changes little to nothing from what we have already.




posted on May, 1 2016 @ 08:32 AM
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a reply to: DBCowboy

Huh? Please elaborate.



posted on May, 1 2016 @ 08:34 AM
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a reply to: ketsuko

Funny how you conservatives find the most corrupt failed socialist state and claim this is what happens to all socialists states. You guys are ignorant.

Enjoy Trump. A part of me hope he wins so when he destroys this country I can laugh at all of you as we stand in our very own breadlines.



posted on May, 1 2016 @ 08:56 AM
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originally posted by: Joecanada11
a reply to: DBCowboy

Voting gun ownership and privacy all require the support of the system so you have no arguement there.


Really? The right to defend oneself is a natural right. If you are stranded by yourself with no system and a hungry predator is roaming around, are you telling me that you wouldn't take up whatever weapon you had to hand because there was no system telling you whether or not you could? Somehow, I think you'd pick up whatever you could and defend yourself, even if it happened to be an "evil" gun that you had no license for.

As far as privacy ... well, we ladies are finding out all about that one the hard way aren't we?



And voting is only a privilege too because it's part of the system.



posted on May, 1 2016 @ 09:03 AM
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Capitalism and socialism fail when there is no one governing the greed. When access to food, shelter, medicine, a way of living is denied, civilization will break down. The US is on the fence right now, ready to fall. I see beggars in places I never use to here in the Northwest. The small cities.



posted on May, 1 2016 @ 09:04 AM
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for the deniers ....


Ideological orientation

According to Professor Ramón Piñango, a sociologist from the Venezuelan University of IESA, "Maduro has a very strong ideological orientation, close to the communist ideology. Contrary to Diosdado, he is not very pragmatic." However, the World Socialist Web Site has argued that Maduro intends to roll back Chávez's reforms, noting that, "In the conduct of his campaign, Maduro has continued his appeal to right-wing and nationalist sentiments, with repeated invocations of patriotism and the fatherland".


Nicolás Maduro




posted on May, 1 2016 @ 09:10 AM
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a reply to: xuenchen

The excuse is always that it hasn't been done right. That the examples we've had in the world of pure socialism are not valid.

They point to Europe who enjoy many of their benefits in lieu of military spending that we do for them. Nevermind that the EU has had to bailout Spain(run by socialists..As in the Socialist Party), They've had to bailout Greece(Again, ruled by the socialist party), and all the other PIIGS. They act as though that crisis is over and it isn't. They used borrowed money to borrow time, and will eventually run out of both.

But hey, let's keep beating that free # army drum.

Yay Bernie!



posted on May, 1 2016 @ 09:14 AM
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a reply to: projectvxn

Well, I suppose we'll see what happens if Trump gets elected and actually makes them renegotiate NATO so that they have to actually contribute to it.

I think we should have started pulling ourselves out of Europe to let them stand on their own a long time ago, about the time the wall fell.



posted on May, 1 2016 @ 09:18 AM
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a reply to: ketsuko

I've written two entire OPs on the military weakness of Europe and how America foots the bill. If it wasn't for that Europe would not enjoy the standard of living they do with the level of spending the have.



posted on May, 1 2016 @ 09:51 AM
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Let's get some context.
I copied this from a thread "Socialist Ideas leading to a collapse" thread on April 11, 2016.
See how someone from Venezuela describes the situation there and what actually caused it.

Note: I am not defending Socialism but simply pointing out that nothing is ever as simple as ___'ism IS BAD and ___'ism is GOOD.
There are many layers to this and i don't believe any type of government system exists to serve the people any ways. It seems to always be circumvented by corruption.




I am from Venezuela, I didn't saw the video because I don't want to get an ulcer today.

A few things.

Venezuela got destroyed by corruption, 140 billions got stolen, that's plenty for decades of budgets in Venezuela.

Chavez changed how the central bank works, assigned contracts directly without competition.

Chavez destroyed local production of everything to benefit imports, you can charge for an import 3 times it's price and steal the overprice.

Not happy with this the government multiplied several times the external debt.

Now this is not that socialism failed, it was a deliberate plan to destroy the country.

Chavez rebellion and eventual rise to power was in the making since the 70s, Fidel Castro got direct involvement in it after the guerrilla failed to make anything in the 60/70s.

Additionally to the agenda of destroying everything, the greed of the chavistas was too much, soon after they took power the corruption was sickening, they find out they did not had to buy cheap materials or play a little bit with the specifications here and there, they could simply get a contract lets say for example to build a road, and simply don't build it, they got pay the same.

This theft of everything destroyed the 30+ Years oldinfrastructure of the country (mostly build in the 50s), no electricity, no new roads, no private industry.

Now with no oil at 100+ the barrel, there is nothing to be done, the local production cannot be restarted and no more imports.

I know someone that worked in pdvesa during the strike, he didn't got fired and got promoted to some managing position, he worked for 3 month as a loyal worker until he find out he could sign checks, he made him a 10 million $ and no one ever saw him again.

The problem with Venezuela is that it's full of Venezuelans, it's sad but we are crappy people to begin with and Chavez changed the few values we had, you cannot travel a few hundred miles without being rob by the army 3-4 times, they just ask for money or else they just find something to fine you, if not its just common thief, they just kill you for anything. All the crime is controlled from jails, jails got hookers, discos, pools, the criminals got the ak 104 Chavez bought, RPGs, anything inside their fortress.

But that is not the socialism you could get in USA, you can get something like Europe, Venezuela model is special, like noko special, like Cuba, mostly because Cuban leaders wanted to destroy us.

Cuban flags are displayed in every army barrack in the country, we are a colony now



posted on May, 1 2016 @ 10:07 AM
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People claim Venezuela is under a socialist regime.

Perhaps it is and that might show the true "Socialism" results.

Isn't Venezuela another country with a ton of resources (like oil) that won't play along with the World Band and stuff?

So yah, they're being eaten alive from within, part of that feast involves blaming them for all their troubles when its probably fomented insurrection from the outside.



posted on May, 1 2016 @ 10:27 AM
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a reply to: DBCowboy

That's funny you should say that. You do know that capitalism and no government action was what led up to the Great Depression of the 1930s and not socialism right? But of course you believe that capitalism is flawless and always correct....

On topic,Venusvalia was a dictatorship not socialist/whatever. That combined with the extreme corruption is what led to their downfall.

Edit: don't even know how this became a triple post...
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posted on May, 1 2016 @ 10:27 AM
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a reply to: ketsuko
No system is ever perfect, not even capitalism/communism.
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posted on May, 1 2016 @ 10:27 AM
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a reply to: MrSpad
Corruption is always a key to take advantage of to gain power.
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posted on May, 1 2016 @ 10:27 AM
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a reply to: Tarzan the apeman.
Isn't greed what influences every single system and choice a person makes though?
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posted on May, 1 2016 @ 10:27 AM
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a reply to: Joecanada11
What you say is true. Greed is a big factor of why there's so much problems caused by the current systems of government, but of course DBCowboy ignores all flaws of capitalism...
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posted on May, 1 2016 @ 11:48 AM
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a reply to: KaibaTheJedi

Perhaps most of the Capitalism "failures" have been due to stubborn Socialist regulation/policies?




posted on May, 1 2016 @ 12:11 PM
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Blows my mind how stupid Americans have gotten, they literally defend TPTB and protect the ones robbing them, reminds me of Stockholm syndrome at a national level. The conditioning has caused them to turn against their own interests lol...wont be long now
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posted on May, 1 2016 @ 12:24 PM
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originally posted by: xuenchen
People claim Venezuela is under a socialist regime.
Perhaps it is and that might show the true "Socialism" results

So, just because Venezuela may call its governing principles 'socialist', it follows that Bernie Sanders is wrong?
Is this what counts for critical thinking among the Right?
Then we ought to judge Democracy by the tenets set down by the People's Democratic Republic of Korea?

I don't mind spirited political debate, but trying to gain points by promoting false equivalencies only panders to the stupid.



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