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Hungry Citizens of Socialist State Raid Stores for Bread

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posted on Apr, 30 2016 @ 09:40 PM
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originally posted by: DBCowboy

Education isn't a right. A right is NOT something that you have to rely on someone else to provide.

Speech is a right.
Free expression is a right.
Voting is a right.
Privacy is a right.
Gun ownership is a right.

Rights are individualistic. Rights are not something you rely on the collective to provide.

Rights are definitely not something the government provides.


If you really want to know the truth. Rights are nothing but a concept. A fictional idea that isn't even real but is to some degree supported by peoples belief in the lie itself.

The only true Right that all people share is the "Right to do whatever you are able to get away with doing." It's not always fair or just or the best thing to do, but it's the truth.




posted on Apr, 30 2016 @ 09:43 PM
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a reply to: xuenchen

Socialism is no stranger to corruption, shortages and mass starvation. Venezuela's socialism for the 21st century" is turning out to look a lot like socialism of the 20th century.



posted on Apr, 30 2016 @ 09:45 PM
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a reply to: mOjOm

To be frank, I'm not sure how to respond to you on this.



posted on Apr, 30 2016 @ 09:48 PM
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a reply to: DBCowboy

Why is that???

I'm just pointing out the reality of the world we live in.

Not saying I like it or that I hold that as my own personal motto for how to live.

But it is a reality all the same.



posted on Apr, 30 2016 @ 09:51 PM
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There are Natural and Legal Rights.
Natural Rights include the Right to Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness.
Legal Rights are whatever the hell the Rights, whatever the hell type of government you have, decides to give you.
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posted on Apr, 30 2016 @ 09:51 PM
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originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
Socialism is no stranger to corruption, shortages and mass starvation. Venezuela's socialism for the 21st century" is turning out to look a lot like socialism of the 20th century.



You say that like it's different than the norm. That Socialism is somehow weak to corruption unlike every other system.

Name one system that is a stranger to corruption???



posted on Apr, 30 2016 @ 09:55 PM
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originally posted by: IAMTAT
There are Natural and Legal Rights.
Natural Rights include the Right to Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness.
Legal Rights are whatever the hell the Rights, whatever the hell type of government you have, decides to give you.


Yet we all see those and many other Rights being taken from people all the time and nothing steps in to save them. Once again showing that the only True Right that "Exists" is the Right to do whatever you are able to do and get away with doing.



posted on Apr, 30 2016 @ 10:04 PM
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a reply to: mOjOm

I live in a country that recognizes that the individual has rights.

These rights aren't dependent on anyone else.

Now are these rights are real or imagined?

They seem pretty real to me. But I've never thought of them as anything else.



posted on Apr, 30 2016 @ 10:24 PM
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originally posted by: mOjOm

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
Socialism is no stranger to corruption, shortages and mass starvation. Venezuela's socialism for the 21st century" is turning out to look a lot like socialism of the 20th century.



You say that like it's different than the norm. That Socialism is somehow weak to corruption unlike every other system.

Name one system that is a stranger to corruption???



The bigger the bureaucracy, the greater the corruption. The more the government intervenes in the lives of its citizens, the greater the danger to those citizens.



posted on Apr, 30 2016 @ 11:15 PM
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a reply to: DBCowboy

Voting gun ownership and privacy all require the support of the system so you have no arguement there.



posted on Apr, 30 2016 @ 11:21 PM
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originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: mOjOm

I live in a country that recognizes that the individual has rights.

These rights aren't dependent on anyone else.

Now are these rights are real or imagined?

They seem pretty real to me. But I've never thought of them as anything else.


Wrong your rights are dependent on somebody else. You have a right to own guns only because your government says you do. Other countries don't have that as a "right"

Your right to privacy also only exists because the government says so. Though that one is being eroded faster than you can imagine.

My country places healthcare as a priority and it's a right for any citizen of Canada to have access to quality care.

You have a right to fair trial (apparently ) and to be represented by legal counsel but guess what it requires other people's support.

So your arguement that your rights have nothing to do with other people's support is invalid.



posted on May, 1 2016 @ 12:59 AM
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a reply to: xuenchen

Xuenchen with another incredibly terrible thread. No surprise here. I think you enjoy looking dumb.



posted on May, 1 2016 @ 01:22 AM
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a reply to: DBCowboy


Or even the gifts of poverty and hunger and homelessness that Capitalism supplies. Which might suggest that its nothing to do with the political system.



posted on May, 1 2016 @ 01:37 AM
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but of course socialist states fail because there are always some capitalists that are trying to destroy them...

anyone that cannot comprehend this is mentally impaired

period



posted on May, 1 2016 @ 03:41 AM
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originally posted by: DBCowboy
I live in a country that recognizes that the individual has rights.

These rights aren't dependent on anyone else.

Now are these rights are real or imagined?

They seem pretty real to me. But I've never thought of them as anything else.


As a concept they are imagined of course. They are rules that we came up with. They're good rules, but rules all the same. Which is why they had to write them down and established the protections for people so they had those rights. Even then they still get taken away from people all the time in various ways.

That's all I'm saying. They are concepts which we came up with and established.

For example, even the Right to Life which is the most obvious is taken away from people all the time without their permission. So obviously they're only valid as long as they are upheld by some authority which has the power to take them away but chooses not to. That's just the reality of it.



posted on May, 1 2016 @ 03:47 AM
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originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

The bigger the bureaucracy, the greater the corruption. The more the government intervenes in the lives of its citizens, the greater the danger to those citizens.


But the real problem is still the corruption not the system itself. Corruption destroys all systems just in different ways.



posted on May, 1 2016 @ 03:51 AM
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a reply to: xuenchen

So how does a country, who's main exports are energy based products like crude Oil, refined petroleum and so on, have repeated energy shortages and blackouts resulting in a two day working week for government employees?

It seems to be a contradiction to me.



posted on May, 1 2016 @ 05:14 AM
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originally posted by: avgguy
a reply to: Swills

How many of the top ten happiest defend themselves and don't rely on the US to do it.


And how many of those states, would much rather have that the US minded their own business for once? The enemy we fear in europe, ISIS, seems to be equiped with american gear, intentionally or not...

Comparing Venesuela with european "socialist" countries, its like comparing apples with bananas, just because their both fruith.. Guess what, ALL countries run on money, and money corrupts (doesnt matter the system), so yeah, maybe you should take a look at that.. just saying

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posted on May, 1 2016 @ 08:29 AM
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a reply to: jimmyx

Yea...I don't see much of that going on these days.

Also..you are using the fruits of capitalism to bash it. Something I always found comical about first world anti-capitalists.



posted on May, 1 2016 @ 08:29 AM
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a reply to: avgguy

Yes they are our friends and every single one of them has their own military. Shockingly, they don't engage in unjust wars and regime changed. The US could learn a lot from them but tell me, do you love war? Do you support invading Iraq? And most importantly, have you served in the military?



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