Hungry Citizens of Socialist State Raid Stores for Bread

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Capitalism may provide an outlet for greed, socialism only accentuates and accelerates it.

originally posted by: DBCowboy

Capitalism may provide an outlet for greed, socialism only accentuates and accelerates it.

Unfortunately no system will ever get rid of greed. You would have to wipe out the entire human race. But greed doesn't only exist amongst the human race. Animals can also be greedy, even wild animals. You would have to wipe out all life to get rid of greed.

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

And socialism would work too!. . . . if people weren't greedy, lazy, jealous, envious, spiteful, evil, angry, . . . . . . . .

a reply to: DBCowboy

It wouldn't.

Socialism is in fact about greed. It is about making people think they can have so much more, under socialism of course... You know, everyone will get paid $60,000 dollars a year if Sanders is elected, everyone will have free college... Everyone will have everything they want and need... Yeah right... People can't see those are only false and empty promises which will never occur... Under socialism everyone is equally poor except the top elites in charge of the executive branch of government...

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

You're right.

Socialism is about one person agreeing to redistribute another persons wealth.

originally posted by: ElectricUniverse
grandma didn't tell me. I lived it, and know by experience what socialism and communism are.

I've heard others who have also lived it say different.

Still many are in the class I mentioned.

Sooo...I guess you didn't get that memo...

Why would I? I'm not on the red scare mailing list.

Now this is actually in favor of your argument, Amid shortages venezuela forces all food distribution into state hands but it also shows that that wasn't always the case which also works against your false dichotomy.

Yes it does. It is harder for the elites to control everyone when the power is split in different branches of government. It is a lot easier for them to control everything when one branch of government has all the power. More so when socialism takes away so many rights from people for their own good and the good of the planet.

Guess you have to believe that because that is how you are getting long stroked.

a reply to: daskakik

The state run food raids by the police/military, the food rationing, etc didn't start in 2015...

The following news came out in 2010, and it was only what was found out because a state employee came forward with this information...

Commodities | Sat Jun 19, 2010 12:48am IST
Fight over food raises stink before Venezuela vote

* Chavez declares war on hoarders

* Rotting food undermines campaign

By Esteban Israel

CARACAS, June 18 Mountains of rotting food found at a government warehouse, soaring prices and soldiers raiding wholesalers accused of hoarding: Food supply is the latest battle in President Hugo Chavez's socialist revolution.

Venezuelan army soldiers swept through the working class, pro-Chavez neighborhood of Catia in Caracas last week, seizing 120 tonnes of rice along with coffee and powdered milk that officials said was to be sold above regulated prices.

"The battle for food is a matter of national security," said a red-shirted official from the Food Ministry, resting his arm on a pallet laden with bags of coffee.

It is also the latest issue to divide the Latin American country where Chavez has nationalized a wide swathe of the economy, he says to reverse years of exploitation of the poor.
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in.reuters.com...

Chavez, Venezuela Introduce “Good Life” Food Rationing Card
TOPICS:Venezuela

September 8, 2010

Antonio Maria Delgado
Miami Herald

Presented by President Hugo Chávez as an instrument to make shopping for groceries easier, the “Good Life Card” is making various segments of the population wary because they see it as a furtive attempt to introduce a rationing card similar to the one in Cuba.

The measure could easily become a mechanism to control the population, according to civil society groups.
“We see that in short-term this could become a rationing card probably similar to the one used in Cuba,”

Roberto León Parilli, president of the National Association of Users and Consumers, told El Nuevo Herald.

“It would use more advanced technological means [than those used in Cuba], but when they tell you where to buy and what the limits of what you can buy are, they are conditioning your purchases.”
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www.activistpost.com...


The socialist policies that increased taxes, and tariffs on food and other products started since Chavez implemented those measures... Same thing for the state run raids on private food companies.

Then there is the fact that in Venezuela, an oil rich country the socialists have even implemented rationing of electricity...

Venezuela Implements New Energy Saving Measures

By Jeanette Charles

Los Angeles, April 7th 2016 (Venezuelanalysis) - This Wednesday, President Nicolás Maduro announced new energy saving measures for the next 60 days to counteract the effects of “El Niño” as environmental conditions worsen.

The latest strategies include rationing electricity, water usage and temporarily removing Fridays from the public work calendar.

"We must make an active effort. I call on all the patriotic forces of the country, sensible men and women, heads of households and young people to adopt this plan with discipline, consciousness and collaboration ahead of nature's extreme conditions, a radical conduct based on love, solidarity and disciplined consciousness," Maduro emphasized.
...

venezuelanalysis.com...

You know... we must fight El Niño and climate change by making everyone not use energy... It's for your own good, and the planet...

The fact is it won't stop El Niño nor Climate Change... Those are only excuses to implement the rationing that socialism implements in every country... The same happened in Cuba, China, the U.S.S.R., etc... None of it was "to help the environment, and the people"...

All of this even started before 2010...

February 25, 2008
Venezuela Reduced to Cuba-Style Food Rationing

Fidel Castro must be very proud of his protege Hugo Chavez, who despite massive oil wealth has managed to drag Venezuela down Cuba's path to poverty:

Venezuela has adopted an unprecedented system of food rationing similar to the ration cards used in Cuba, after several months of food shortages that have caused popular discontent.

The Ministry of Nutrition announced last week that beneficiaries of the government's food distribution program would only be allowed one purchase a day. The amount of food allocated to each family would be based on a ''social study'' the government performed, it said.

At least Government is there to regulate the hunger pangs:

[…]distribution centers will now keep a registry of families shopping at each center to ensure that no home receives a "surplus" of staple products.

Under the new rationing system, government distribution centers will open at 8 a.m. and each customer will be given a control number that will allow him to shop for food that day. The customer will also fill out a registry card with his name, ID number and the products and quantities to be purchased.

Why would people sitting on a lake of oil be going hungry? Socialism is why:

Luis Rodríguez, executive director of the Association of Supermarkets and Convenience Stores, said the shortages are not transitory but structural and they have been mounting for at least the past eight months. According to Rodríguez, supermarkets throughout Venezuela are experiencing shortages of chicken, beef, pork, dairy products, eggs, flour and tomato derivatives, such as ketchup. Rodríguez blames the shortages on price controls established by the government, which have left producers with little reason to increase production.
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www.moonbattery.com...

Even before then.

This from 2007...

Venezuela scrambles for food despite oil boom

Tuesday 13 November 2007 21.34 EST

Rory Carroll in Caracas
@rorycarroll72


· Milk, eggs and sugar no longer available in shops
· Chávez's socialist policies are to blame, critics say

At first glance the supermarket off Avenida Francisco Miranda appeared to be a gourmet dream. Smoked salmon in the freezer. An aisle filled with Italian olive oil, balsamic vinegar and pesto. Another aisle stacked with Perrier, champagne and the finest Scotch.

But of milk, eggs, sugar and cooking oil there was no sign. Where were they? The question yesterday prompted a puzzled look from the manager. "There isn't any. Everybody knows that. Pasta is probably the next to go," he shrugged.

Welcome to Venezuela, a booming economy with a difference. Food shortages are plaguing the country at the same time that oil revenues are driving a spending splurge on imported luxury goods, prompting criticism of President Hugo Chávez's socialist policies.

Milk has all but vanished from shops. Distraught mothers ask how they are supposed to feed their infants. Many cafes and restaurants serve only black coffee.

Families say eggs and sugar are also a memory. "The last time I had them was September," said Marisol Perez, 51, a housewife in Petare, a sprawling barrio in eastern Caracas.

When supplies do arrive long queues form instantly. Purchases are rationed and hands are stamped to prevent cheating. The sight of a milk truck reportedly prompted a near-riot last week.

Up to a quarter of staple food supplies have been disrupted, according to Datanalisis, a public opinion and economic research group. To Chávez's detractors the scarcity is evidence that his revolutionary "21st century socialism" is driving South America's oil power towards ruin.
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www.theguardian.com...

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

I'm not even going to bother reading it. I already said it happens. My point is that it isn't always like that and there are times when free enterprise operates which goes against your hyperbole.

During Katrina US citizens were disarmed so, USA = USSR.

a reply to: daskakik

Of course you are not going to bother reading it... Or anything else that proves socialism fails every time... You rather try it again, and again, not matter how many times it keeps failing, and most people keep going hungry...

BTW, what happened in Katrina was because of left-wing policy. New Orleans is a left-wing city. So keep trying to claim such measures are not left-wing...

originally posted by: ElectricUniverse
Of course you are not going to bother reading it... Or anything else that proves socialism fails every time... You rather try it again, and again, not matter how many times it keeps failing, and most people keep going hungry...

I'm not a socialist. I don't care what people try. It's all BS anyway.

BTW, what happened in Katrina was because of left-wing policy. New Orleans is a left-wing city. So keep trying to claim such measures are not left-wing...

Sure it was.

originally posted by: daskakik

I'm not a socialist. I don't care what people try. It's all BS anyway.

You sure seem like one trying to defend socialism no matter what evidence is shown to you...and btw, the only bs, is the claim that what happens in Venezuela, or Cuba, or other similar socialist countries is not because of socialism...

Like I wrote...yes, unfortunately there are some people who do go hungry in America under the current system, and also in the past. But under socialism the majority of people go hungry, and suffer and that is a fact.

originally posted by: daskakik
Sure it was.

No?.. really?...

Let's see...

List of mayors of New Orleans
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
...
Robert S. Maestri August 18, 1936 April 4, 1946 Democratic

DeLesseps Story "Chep" Morrison April 4, 1946 July 17, 1961 Democratic

Victor H. Schiro July 17, 1961 May 2, 1970 Democratic

Maurice "Moon" Landrieu May 2, 1970 May 1, 1978 Democratic

Ernest Nathan "Dutch" Morial May 1, 1978 May 5, 1986 Democratic

Sidney Barthelemy May 5, 1986 May 2, 1994 Democratic

Marc Morial May 2, 1994 May 6, 2002 Democratic

C. Ray Nagin May 6, 2002 May 3, 2010 Democratic

Mitch Landrieu May 3, 2010 Present Democratic

en.wikipedia.org...

They seem to have been "democratic" hence left-wingers for a very, very long time.

The gun confiscation occurred under C. Ray Nagin's watch under his orders...

originally posted by: ElectricUniverse
You sure seem like one trying to defend socialism no matter what evidence is shown to you...and btw, the only bs, is the claim that what happens in Venezuela, or Cuba, or other similar socialist countries is not because of socialism...

Show me where I have defended socialism.

Show me where I have said that what happens isn't because of socialism.

Like I wrote...yes, unfortunately there are some people who do go hungry in America under the current system, and also in the past. But under socialism the majority of people go hungry, and suffer and that is a fact.

Sure, just the current system because before 1913 nobody went hungry.

No?.. really?...

Let's see...

You missed the point, that logic is as valid as your finger pointing but, when you are on the other end you squirm a bit.

originally posted by: xuenchen
a reply to: Azureblue

The profit motive.

Not sure what you mean by this but in any event, I suspect that like myself, one day you will might come to the conclusion that being very pro of this or that idology, is falling into a trap that the powers that be create.

One of the things I have learned in this world since 911 (thanks to this and other sites) is that life is a very complicated busienss and that there is a lot more to life than what meets the eye.

To Illustrate what I mean perhaps you might choose to read this quote but pay particular attention to the 3rd paragraph.

Quote:

Montagu Norman, Governor of The Bank Of England, addressing the United States Bankers' Association, NYC 1924. Said

 Capital must protect itself in every possible way, both by combination and legislation. Debts must be collected, mortgages foreclosed as rapidly as possible.

 “When, through process of law [he meant “legal”], the common people lose their homes, they will become more docile and more easily governed through the strong arm of the government applied by a central power of wealth under leading financiers.

 “These truths are well known among our principal men, who are now engaged in forming an imperialism to govern the world. By dividing the voter through the political party system, we can get them to expend their energies in fighting for questions of no importance.

 “It is thus, by discrete action, we can secure for ourselves that which has been so well planned and so successfully accomplished.“

 NB: This quotation was reprinted in the Idaho Leader, USA, on 26th August 1924, and has been read into the Australian Federal Hansard twice: by John Evans MP, in 1926, and by MD Cowan MP, in the session of 1930-31.

Unquote.

Due To Shortages Venezuela Will Suspend Production Of Beer And Malt Beverages

Due to the growing shortage of ingredients, Cervecería Polar, Venezuela’s largest brewery, announced that it will suspend its production of beer and other malt beverages.

Through a press release, the company detailed their situation as one in which they are unable to restock inventory, as their last shipment of important ingredients will only reach them on April 29.

a reply to: xuenchen

That would be the end of the world for my husband.