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Hungry Citizens of Socialist State Raid Stores for Bread

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posted on May, 2 2016 @ 04:02 PM
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a reply to: avgguy

Defend from WHO?




posted on May, 2 2016 @ 04:04 PM
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originally posted by: projectvxn
Go try it in Cuba Socialista.

More dishonesty. First you make a blanket statement and now you want to get specific.

Add to that the fact that blackmarkets are "capitalism", according to the context that ketsuko and you are speaking about, and they exist in Cuba Socialista, then you are shooting down your own arguments.
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posted on May, 2 2016 @ 04:21 PM
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a reply to: Grimpachi

The question asked to help determine it can mean anything from what I listed to a person actually not having food in the house, so the numbers are skewed.

There are people without enough food, but the surveys are not conclusive on the numbers adding in people who do not count.

For example, I often skip meals to save money. Uh-oh, I guess we don't have enough money to feed ourselves ...



posted on May, 2 2016 @ 04:30 PM
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a reply to: daskakik

Not at all. What we see as a black market in the US is very different from what is a black market in Cuba.

You need a black market in Cuba to buy toilet paper. This is something my parents did when they lived there.

You have a black market here for everything. But you can get the necessities at any convenience store without fear the government will raid your house over a roll of TP.



posted on May, 2 2016 @ 04:45 PM
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originally posted by: projectvxn
Not at all. What we see as a black market in the US is very different from what is a black market in Cuba.

You need a black market in Cuba to buy toilet paper. This is something my parents did when they lived there.

You have a black market here for everything. But you can get the necessities at any convenience store without fear the government will raid your house over a roll of TP.

So now you are qualifying black markets in order to have them be capitalism in some instances but not others, the same way you qualify nationalization to mean socialism in some instances but not in others.

C'mon man, your better than that. I don't know what your parents went through but I think things have changed. In this article there is a pic of a "shop" set up in the street in broad daylight. Nobody looks like they are in fear of having their house raided over a roll of TP.

It is hyperbole.

That one was Venezuela and this one is in Cuba. Both look like regular flea markets to me.



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posted on May, 2 2016 @ 04:53 PM
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a reply to: daskakik

Oh stop it. I did no such thing and you know it.

I'm done over explaining things to you.



posted on May, 2 2016 @ 04:57 PM
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originally posted by: projectvxn
Oh stop it. I did no such thing and you know it.

That is exactly what you are doing.


I'm done over explaining things to you.

Explain things to me?

I'm the one pointing out how your bias skews things. Those pics are real. Your story of brown boots kicking in doors over simple daily commodities is what is missing any proof.



posted on May, 2 2016 @ 05:10 PM
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a reply to: daskakik
People in communist countries go to black market to get stuff that's not available or even banned. That's not due to capitalism it's due to lack of stuff being produced by a centrally planned gov.



posted on May, 2 2016 @ 05:19 PM
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a reply to: ThirdEyeofHorus

Did you read the entire thread?

Nobody is saying that it is because of capitalism.



posted on May, 2 2016 @ 06:57 PM
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More trouble in the big V


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posted on May, 2 2016 @ 07:33 PM
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originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: LABTECH767

Hmmm, but those ideals are voluntary, not forced. When you create a state-run socialist system, it is forced. Therein lies the difference. Did the early church compel anyone to hold goods in common with them or was it voluntary? Did it have the power to make it compulsory?

Remember, all of those ideal dictates are made to the person, on a personal level, and if you are compelled to follow through by an outside force, such as the state, did you follow those dictates on your own or were you forced against your will?

Consider that before you tell yourself that Jesus is a socialist in the sense that most of us are discussing.


I shall let other's do my talking for me on this salient point, just out of curiosity why do you and other's want to paint Jesus as a Capitalist?.

en.wikipedia.org...
www.newstatesman.com...

This next one is by a young lady and is done perfectly if a little agressively.
www.angelfire.com...

www.faithstreet.com...

You see what we are seeing is this being replayed.

Now behold, one came and said to Him, “Good Teacher, what good thing shall I do that I may have eternal life?”
So He said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is, God. But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments.”
He said to Him, “Which ones?” Jesus said, “‘You shall not murder,’ ‘You shall not commit adultery,’ ‘You shall not steal,’ ‘You shall not bear false witness,’ ‘Honor your father and your mother,’ and, ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ ”
The young man said to Him, “All these things I have kept from my youth. What do I still lack?”
Jesus said to him, “If you want to be perfect, go, sell what you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow Me.”
But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful, for he had great possessions.

Let's look at that again to be a christian is to be a follower of Jesus so,

Jesus said to him, “If you want to be perfect, go, sell what you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow Me.” But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful, for he had great possessions.

Afterward he spoke of how it was easier for a Camel to pass through the eye of a needle than it was for a rich man to enter heaven but he had mercy and cared as the young man was really not a bad soul and you can sense he actually liked the kid so he said "But for God all thing's are possible".

Now I believe the above pages explain my own opinion of TV evangelists, not all of them some are genuine but too many are bad men whom make a corporate executive lifestyle for themselves while preaching what they do not put into practice themselves, one major TV evangelist whom is constantly telling his misguided congregation to pray for money actually took from his church fund's to pay off his ex wife's alimony.

Still there are some good TV evangelists, can't say I agree with everything they say but Angus Buchan come's to mind as a good one.



posted on May, 2 2016 @ 07:49 PM
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a reply to: LABTECH767

I love the Christians who think Jesus was a capitalist. Nothing makes me laugh harder. Running the money changers out of the temple. The apostles selling all their possessions and dividing it among themselves. Seriously funny.



posted on May, 2 2016 @ 08:22 PM
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originally posted by: Joecanada11
a reply to: LABTECH767

I love the Christians who think Jesus was a capitalist. Nothing makes me laugh harder. Running the money changers out of the temple. The apostles selling all their possessions and dividing it among themselves. Seriously funny.


Well they Jesus was Jewish.




posted on May, 3 2016 @ 03:55 AM
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originally posted by: ketsuko


I just thought a visual aid would be helpful for imagination challenged.

Yes...but don't you understand how this works? It doesn't matter if the people starve, lose jobs, go broke or have to beg on the street. Socialism is RIGHT and therefore should be shoved down the throat of every human being while they choke on it. What the left believe to be right, is always right. It doesn't matter how many die in the process or how many lives are destroyed. Their belief in RIGHT instead of CORRECT is comparable to the belief in some religions that dictate murder...which means it is comparable to terrorism...which means they should be taken out.

Or is my logic off?



posted on May, 3 2016 @ 05:56 AM
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originally posted by: xuenchen
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People claim Venezuela is under a socialist regime.

Perhaps it is and that might show the true "Socialism" results.

Perhaps the European style Democrat Socialism is the answer?
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Wanted to address those two points, which I know you are aware of Xuenchen, but other members aren't.

How many socialists, and communists in name only in this website, alongside others who lean left, claimed that Cuba's problem with food was because of "the U.S. embargo"? Even when presented with evidence that it wasn't the embargo but the socialist doctrine which call for a rationing of food, and all products these members continued to claim the problems of Cuba were because the U.S. embargo... Never mind that the Cuban regime has had business relations with several countries and not just the former U.S.S.R., which never helped the Cuban people.

Those same people proclaimed that socialism would liberate Venezuela... We know exactly what happened in Venezuela, the opposite, but lo and behold Venezuela has the same food problems and problems with providing other basic items to their citizens just like Cuba has.

Here is what those very same people don't know about. When a nation becomes socialist, and as part of the socialist doctrine, extreme austerity measures are enforced. Countries like Venezuela and Cuba do have more than enough food and other basic necessities for their populations, but the majority of the food, and other necessities are used to spread socialism/the revolution to other countries.

For a few years the Cuban regime has been sending the best doctors to Venezuela, i know this because one of my uncles is a Cuban doctor who tells us these things, yet there is a lack of good doctors in Cuba which leaves Cubans without most good doctors, and they have to make do with medical students which many of them shouldn't even be called doctors yet.

This is another little fact a lot of foreigners are unaware about, who is in charge in Venezuela. Does anyone remember when Hugo Chavez said to his people that they should embrace the way of life of Cubans? Well, there are Cuban politicians who preside over the parliament of Venezuela, and what they say goes.



This is what "spreading socialism and the revolution is all about".

The worst part is that the next target seems to be the United States. I hope my assessment is wrong, but we will start to see Cuban teachers being sent to American Universities, and even Cuban politicians will speak to the American people, and those in power in the U.S. These Cuban officials will make public speeches aimed at deceiving and luring the American people, and to try to persuade as many Americans with more lies, so that the American public embrace socialism more out of ignorance. This is the truth, those who embrace socialism do it out of ignorance. out of ignorance not understanding that under such a system there is no checks and balances in place. All power under socialism rests on the executive branch, and no one can stop those in power when only those in charge of the executive branch have all the power.

I am very certain that this will happen, because it is exactly what the Cuban regime has done, or tried to do to every country it made open relations with, and i am also certain the Obama administration is well aware of this.

Of course, the Obama administration, and the other elites who want to "change America" don't want the castro regime to take control, but they want the help from the Cuban regime in brainwashing some more Americans so Americans are more open to "socialism".

One more thing, as for the European countries that are socialist... Most of them aren't socialist, but many of these countries are opening themselves more and more to socialism, which is bringing more and more problems to those countries. But originally a lot of those European countries drafted their Constitutions based off the American Constitution.


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posted on May, 3 2016 @ 06:10 AM
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originally posted by: Joecanada11

I love the Christians who think Jesus was a capitalist. Nothing makes me laugh harder. Running the money changers out of the temple. The apostles selling all their possessions and dividing it among themselves. Seriously funny.


He wasn't a capitalist, but he certainly wasn't a socialist either... Jesus Christ came to show us a spiritual path... He didn't come to teach people about politics...
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posted on May, 3 2016 @ 06:29 AM
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If it were true socialism, the bread would be provided free or as trade for work. Oh and socialism isn't politics.
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posted on May, 3 2016 @ 06:32 AM
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originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: jlafleur02

I think if you read the thread, you will find that no one here disagrees that there is simply too much government involvement in the economy, too much cronyism, for there to be actual capitalism, unfettered. It hasn't been that way for well over 100 years if it ever was.

And a lot of this thread is designed to warn people against allowing even more into the economy. We should be going the other way with things. More liberty, not less.

I hear what you are saying. I'm pointing out that it is to late. Too many people don't have the skills to survive without government help.



posted on May, 3 2016 @ 06:35 AM
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originally posted by: damwel
If it were true socialism, the bread would be provided free or as trade for work. Oh and socialism isn't politics.


socialism is a political and economic doctrine/system. Oh and btw, under socialism nothing is free, and most often people go hungry instead of being provided "free bread..."

People in Venezuela, and Cuba, and India have a lot of "free bread" huh damwel?... Get down from that cloud and face reality for once...
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posted on May, 3 2016 @ 08:38 AM
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Which is WHY middle ground is the best policy, democratic socialism which works in tandem with Regulated capitalism, regulated does not mean strangled it mean's anti monopoly law's, fair taxation - with tax break's for major employers and important sectors and fair low percentage wealth redistribution via government provided services - there are area's were government CAN provide superior OVERALL service such as free health care, flat rate living standard old age pension and a safety net for time's of economic crisis which is balanced by a minimum wage law that makes the wages pay and does not allow them to fall so low people have to work three or four job's just to feed there kid's (if they can get the jobs' that is) such as in THE STATES today.

What I have to ask does the Venezuelan economic crisis and shortages have to do with US sanction's against them.
You do know the sole aim of these sanction's is to bring about Regime Change by strangling the population of Venezuela by disrupting there economy.
www.treasury.gov...
Now let's go back to that, the big kid bullies the little kid because he won't let him have his game boy (Oil and other national asset's) so the Big kid then forces the little kid down and takes it anyway.

Sanction's are not a political system, it is not even the US vs Venezuela it is the Corporate interests whom want to control south America vs an Independant state that has forced them out of it's business.

And when the US moves it's economic power is so great that most other nation's follow suit.

So the Little Kid, Venezuela is standing alone with hardly anyone to stick up for him, get it?.

So what does your point prove.

That Venezuela's system is a failure

OR

That US Sanction's (Which helped to bring down the Soviet Union and have been used regularly to enact Regime change around the world) are successful in causing pain to the poorest people of a poor nation.

And whom does this benefit, I will warrent you will see no difference to your lifestyle either way and nothing will change for you (Unless of course you are Venezuelan) no matter what system run's that country but it will make a few corporations several hundred billion dollars in revenue each year if they topple Chavez and his government?.

Is it therefore really a fair example of different political system's or is it a prime example of how the largest economy in the world can strangle one of the smallest with relative ease?.

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