It looks like you're using an Ad Blocker.

Please white-list or disable AboveTopSecret.com in your ad-blocking tool.

Thank you.

 

Some features of ATS will be disabled while you continue to use an ad-blocker.

 

Hungry Citizens of Socialist State Raid Stores for Bread

page: 10
42
<< 7  8  9    11  12  13 >>

log in

join
share:

posted on May, 1 2016 @ 07:55 PM
link   

originally posted by: daskakik

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: daskakik

Now who's shifting the goal posts? I gave you an example of what I meant. If you don't like it, that's not my problem.

I never asked what you meant.

I was replying to project, using the context that he established.


Oh I see, now that you've asked me all those question and I've answered and you don't like the answers, you are claiming you never wanted to engage with me in the first place.

Mmm-hmm.




posted on May, 1 2016 @ 08:02 PM
link   

originally posted by: ketsuko
Oh I see, now that you've asked me all those question and I've answered and you don't like the answers, you are claiming you never wanted to engage with me in the first place.

Mmm-hmm.

No just that I wasn't talking in the context that you are.

Yes capitalism can be garage sales and fleamarkets but that isn't the context when talking about national economies so it's apples and oranges and I'm sure you know that.
edit on 1-5-2016 by daskakik because: (no reason given)



posted on May, 1 2016 @ 08:57 PM
link   
Calling the nazis, socialist is the same as saying the democratic republic of the congo what really a democracy, making stuff up i see, same circle jerk from the same crowd.



posted on May, 1 2016 @ 09:11 PM
link   
a reply to: dukeofjive696969

They were "National" Socialists.

And very authoritarian, just like "Democratic" Socialists, and similar to "Soviet" Socialists.




posted on May, 1 2016 @ 09:21 PM
link   

originally posted by: xuenchen
a reply to: dukeofjive696969

They were "National" Socialists.

And very authoritarian, just like "Democratic" Socialists, and similar to "Soviet" Socialists.

and they would have been the same even if they had called themselves libertarians.


edit on 1-5-2016 by daskakik because: (no reason given)



posted on May, 1 2016 @ 09:31 PM
link   

originally posted by: xuenchen
a reply to: dukeofjive696969

They were "National" Socialists.

And very authoritarian, just like "Democratic" Socialists, and similar to "Soviet" Socialists.



Stop making stuff up propaganda master, go read history books, stop with the obscure blogs and fox news.

So answer me this, was the democratic republic of the congo a democracy?



posted on May, 1 2016 @ 10:25 PM
link   
a reply to: daskakik

Actually Ketsuko did a fantastic job of explaining the context.




posted on May, 1 2016 @ 10:50 PM
link   
a reply to: projectvxn

Really?

Personal interactions are equal to national economies.

Then I guess I can't talk to either of you.



posted on May, 1 2016 @ 11:03 PM
link   

originally posted by: AmericanRealist
a reply to: DerBeobachter

This was merely a result of poor planning. The majority of Venezuela's budget and funding comes from energy exports. This is happening to a few places where the lazy officials refused to plan for a reality where their nations primary source of income becomes so devalued it cannot sustain its obligations. Saudi Arabia has at least always been smart enough to keep hefty cash and gold reserves.

Venezuela's leaders unfortunately spent too much time hyping the evils of America to their people as the source of their problems instead of doing their job and create a contingency plan for an eventuality that cripples the value of their primary export.

Do we have some CIA assets their stirring up trouble? Sure that is likely. But this failure is entirely on the shoulders of their leadership, and not the employees on the company payroll whispering insurrectionist ideas and pretending to be charities for the poor. At least those fronts make an effort to help when they hide their true intent. Their government pretty much has neglected their duties, and that cannot be blamed on us.



Oh please stop being a liberal and defecting blame. The number # 1 reason communism fails is because of people. If everyone gets paid the same then there is no incentive to work at all. If a ditch digger watches a security guard sit on His butt He will ask "Why do I have to bust My butt while this guy sits on His butt?". The typical reaction of the ditch digger is to work less and if everyone works less then You end up with empty store shelves and bread lines. Why on earth would anyone want to do a harder job than someone else if someone else made the same money doing hardly anything?



posted on May, 1 2016 @ 11:26 PM
link   
a reply to: jkm1864

Let me just put this here while you continue to tell us how everyone earns the same.



posted on May, 2 2016 @ 02:33 AM
link   

originally posted by: xuenchen

People claim Venezuela is under a socialist regime.

Perhaps it is and that might show the true "Socialism" results.



Between Capitalism and Socialism, Capitalism is the lesser of the two evils.

Evil abounds whenever power or money or both are consolidated which is endemic in both Capitalism and Socialism, it's the disease of humanity.



posted on May, 2 2016 @ 02:39 AM
link   
a reply to: dukeofjive696969 xuenchen is correct the nazis were national socialist as opposed to international. They were just a bit right of communism but as antony sutton says both fascism and communism are made of the same totalitarian cloth. They both support the same ideology of the state as being supreme and all citizens exist for the state. John Dewey also believed that all people exist for the state and it is his concept of that which is the basis for our public education today.



posted on May, 2 2016 @ 02:52 AM
link   
a reply to: ketsuko

Save your propaganda images for elsewhere, why not take a swift look at how Scandinavian countries are doing.

Venezuela is a failed nation, as most capitalist countries besides the ones on top, robbing all other nations out of their resources and development (US, UK, Germany)



posted on May, 2 2016 @ 02:58 AM
link   
a reply to: daskakik only the people at the top of the heap have the money while the rest suffer under imposed totalitarian regime but it is said that Chavez squandered what money was made from the oil.



posted on May, 2 2016 @ 03:33 AM
link   
a reply to: ThirdEyeofHorus

But the post I replied to said that everyone earned the same and that doesn't seem to be the case.



posted on May, 2 2016 @ 04:22 AM
link   

originally posted by: dukeofjive696969
Calling the nazis, socialist is the same as saying the democratic republic of the congo what really a democracy, making stuff up i see, same circle jerk from the same crowd.


They took the wealth from the wealthy Jews and redistributed it...that seems pretty socialist to me. Actually it seems that their entire argument was that while the majority of the people were struggling post WWI, there was an elite 1% of Jews that controlled the wealth and it had to be taken from them to be controlled by the government, and used to benefit the rest of the people. They knew exactly why they called themselves Socialists. Whatever goes on in the Congo has nothing to do with it. Or as the old saying goes, what's that got to do with the price of tea in China?
edit on 2-5-2016 by The_Phantom because: (no reason given)



posted on May, 2 2016 @ 06:10 AM
link   
a reply to: xuenchen

Not to criticize but it really does get on our nerves when Socialism is equated with Communism.

They are not the same thing at all.

Socialism is more about worker ownership than state ownership, co-operative type society's, kibbutz etc, private enterprise pay's more tax but also can recieve state subsidies and tax break's especially if it is a major employer, the state does not became part owner (except in certain cases such as infrastructure or in the case of failing major employers were the government may choose to buy out the owners in order to save the company as a national asset or if it is essential to defence etc) but the workers have more right's and job security as well as severance right's in cases of redundancy etc.

Communism is about the State owning EVERYTHING, ALL profit goes to the state, the workers are paid no more wage than any other workers despite the job they perform and people are simply drone's (Also OWNED by the state) with an upper elite that usually live more like a royal family but this one is called the PARTY and to get anywhere in such a society you need to be a part of the PARTY and suck up to the ruling Dynasty.

Both system's claim to draw inspiration from Karl Marx an 19th century German born philosopher and political idiologist, the difference is that Communism Twists his idea's and reinterprets them to there own use.
en.wikipedia.org...
grutty.tumblr.com...

Now that said, Is Venezuela a Socialist state, it is a south amerian country that has had it's fair share of problem's no matter which type of party has been in power, when it was capitalist the wealth was in the hand's of an extreme minority, when it took on a socialist government under Chavez it suffered attack's economically orchestrated by concerned PARTY's mostly with strong economic and political power in the US and tied to our favourite alphabet agency via Halliburton and a few other front company's whom provide a facade for often internationally illigal trade activity's in part because of there wish to control the country's Oil and Gas reserves and to rape that nation of it's asset's.

But is Chavez government free of corruption, I doubt it very much but your thread is still misguided as it is being used as an attack against your pet hate Bernie Sanders and is based on drawing a tenuous at best analogy between his wish to impart social justice for american's on your nation and the failing's of a totally seperate country which is in a totally seperate situation.

edit on 2-5-2016 by LABTECH767 because: (no reason given)



posted on May, 2 2016 @ 08:44 AM
link   
a reply to: Shuye
Venezuela is not a capitalist country. Venezuela has a nationalized oil industry which those in power used to give themselves wealth. Venezuela has food shortages just like the old Soviet Union did and like Cuba does today. This is the result of centralized planning and in the case of Venezuela and Cuba the inability to produce many of the items in demand(for Cuba such as toilet paper). Thanks to free trade countries which do not produce such items can have them but we know that Cuba had sanctions due to the missile crisis.



posted on May, 2 2016 @ 08:51 AM
link   
a reply to: LABTECH767

You DO know that Karl Marx wrote the Communist Manifesto don't you?



posted on May, 2 2016 @ 10:50 AM
link   

originally posted by: daskakik
a reply to: projectvxn

Really?

Personal interactions are equal to national economies.

Then I guess I can't talk to either of you.


No, it is your lack of understanding the history of socialist regimes, its founding philosophies, and how it affects people that is causing your confusion.

You're trying to lead the conversation in a way that makes you right. But the facts don't go that way and neither Ketsuko or I are willing to play such a stupid game with you.




top topics



 
42
<< 7  8  9    11  12  13 >>

log in

join