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originally posted by: BASSPLYR
I talked to a fighter pilot who once told me, when asked, that from what he'd heard from the raptor pilots taking on f15's was like "clubbing baby seals"
originally posted by: nwtrucker
a reply to: 727Sky
If I understand correctly, in the first few go 'arounds' between
22s and 15s, it was a bit unfair as all the 22 drivers were top 15 drivers previous to flying the 22s. As a result they knew everything there was to know about the Eagles whereas the 15 pilots knew nothing about the Raptors. A bit unfair.
In this video, the 15 drivers ARE Raptor pilots..... to even out the contest. It was still 'clubbing baby seals'....
originally posted by: randomthoughts12
a reply to: nwtrucker
Wrong the pilots of the F-15s were also top Raptor pilots. So both pilots knew as much as the other about both air craft. I am assuming they rotated pilots with the same results. With this tech and the air force they will not be that lazy in their examination. Only chance would be if they fabricated a little to make the 22 seem better. If they are all being honest this is a very good thing for our air force. Could also supercharge the sale of f-15s and replace with the raptor for ourselves.
Sorry I see you said the first few go arounds. This may null my argument due to I only checked the experiment as a whole not just the first few rounds which could of been only f-15 pilots but I would think they would know enough for it to be close to fair mentally head to head.
The F-22 fly away cost was something like $143M a copy
The F-22 was built all over the country with something like the manufacturing of parts and sub-assemblies going on in 44 different locations/states. Then the parts were all brought together to finish the aircraft. Some of these off sight parts had to be hand finished because they did not fit.
We have a little over 180 F-22s flying today instead of the 700 plus that was initially requested and wanted. The additional orders were cancelled due to the boondoggle the whole program had turned into.
The Russian/Indian joint FGFA will include a total of 43 improvements over the T-50 and has been delayed because of those improvements. The cost is around 100 million per copy (a damn far cry from 300 million plus) and the plans are for India to receive/build close to 206 aircraft and Russia to initially receive 250 aircraft.. Both have options for more aircraft plus Russia is looking to export the aircraft.. We will have to wait and see if the improvements and the aircraft will preform as expected...deliveries have been stretched to 2019 was the word I got... Either way both Russia and China are fielding new and upgraded designs yearly ...
In 2007, the Congress-led UPA government had signed an inter-governmental agreement with Russia to co-develop the next generation FGFA. It was followed by the $295 million (`1,483 crore) preliminary design contract (PDC) in December 2010. The overall FGFA project cost for making all the 127 fighters in India was pegged at around $25 billion.
- IAF claims developed engine of FGFA was not reliable
- Inadequate radar and stealth features
- Huge cost over-run
- India’s reduced share. Lack of participation by IAF in the design phase
- IAF apprehensive that Russia will not share technology