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posted on Jan, 17 2005 @ 09:37 PM
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Thanks for the quick responses, I'm sure there will be even more to come which is comforting.

Don't worry Niki, I may not be happy with our society and the way life works, but I'm no fool, I'd never fall for those multi-level pyramid scams. No kids in my future for a while either. I currently rent a place with my friends (still living in the college house) and I bought a house as a pure investment property because I know there is money there. I'd also like to get a few more to make my way closer to financial freedom, call me a slum lord, I don't mind.

On another note, this is a really really great paragraph, to quote you:
"I believe this "life system" is set up/controlled by the government because they want to keep you occupied. They don't want Anarchists walking around, stirring up trouble, and especially getting hands on their money. The rich are afraid of the poor. The system is set up so that the majority of average people have just enough to keep them reasonably satisfied. The wealthy make vast sums off the proletarians back too (what's the figure? 5% of the people control 95% of the wealth? Something like that.) Freeing oneself from slavery is not easy."

Masterfully written, and I completely agree. It is somewhat disheartening knowing that this is true, but there isn't much we can do about it. I love that final line of yours, "freeing oneself from slavery is not easy." That is a great line in so many ways, because it perfectly fits the situation at hand.

Ah well, it's getting that time again. Time to go off to bed so I can wake up at the crack of dawn, to go to a job I hate, to work in a Corporate America which I can't stand. I get the pleasure of being a white collared drone and making my company money, in hopes of making myself enough in return to break these bondages of slavery. That is the only way I see to rid myself of these chains. Sigh...

[edit on 17-1-2005 by Ajax]




posted on Jan, 18 2005 @ 11:55 AM
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Originally posted by Vertu
This thread is meant to target those people, who cannot know where to stop. I have written everything in my previous posts, and I'm rather curious of the "investigative" people, who cannot value another person's thoughts, only their own thoughts mean anything to them. Sad, but there are people who have no barriers in their way of thinking, and that leads to very disturbing confusions.


Who says that other people's thoughts don't mean anything to us? Something about looking at our chosen field of interest would lead me to believe that most of us are rather open minded. I personally value everyone's opinion, and I try and look at things from all sides before I draw my own conclusions.

And as far as not knowing when to stop, the thing is that you can study this sort of thing and believe it, and at the same time you can keep touch with reality. Yeah, I do believe in some of this stuff, but I have to see it to believe it, and I will believe it ONLY after all other plausible explainations have been discounted. Not every shadow I see out of the corner of my eye is a ghost. It was probably just the shadow of my little sister walking down the hall. Not every time I think about something someone is going to say before they say it is a product of ESP. It may just be some good guesswork on my part. Not every deja vu like dream is proof that I am precognative. If it occurred in a place where I normally go, it was probably a coincidence.

I search for answers to my questions this way because, like someone said earlier in the thread, humans are an inquisitive bunch, and I can't find a rational scientific explaination for some of the things I have seen. True, it could all be just flukes, but the chances having as many coincidences that I have are so low that it would be a more realistic possibility to question the paranormal aspects of life.



posted on Jan, 18 2005 @ 12:05 PM
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Originally posted by toechopper
True, it could all be just flukes, but the chances having as many coincidences that I have are so low that it would be a more realistic possibility to question the paranormal aspects of life.


Does this mean that you keep reciting that you recorded a shadow person with your webcamera (for weeks), until someone with extreme knowledge proves you that it's actually a fly? You know: these very simple questions have very simple answers. That's what I am trying to tell everyone, but some ppl just keep reasoning! Every question in life has its own barriers. A normal person will not employ an engineer to set up the shopping, and won't use a scientific calculator to find out what their kids need for Christmas. There are levels of thinking, but very few people still believe that more and more complications will solve a simple problem. Well, they wont!



posted on Jan, 18 2005 @ 08:21 PM
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I ask myself a lot of questions everyday and I can't help it....
What should I do, keep on going to work every single day like evreyday is the same day (it really looks like that....) I sit all day in front of the same computer, sitting on the same chair, working for the pay check i'll get in two weeks knowing that check will serve for paying my apartment, my food, my phone, my electricity, cable, and some extra stuff like wow, a new mascara!!!! what are we suppose to think about then "WTF am I doing with my life?????" I would like to travel around the world, visit every country, other culture....write a novel, paint....then I have to marry a rich guy, is that the solution??????? I am not like that, I love with my heart, not with my wallet, but then, why everything have to cost money, even a real good life on earth?
Why I ask myself questions, because life should not be that way....
I found answers in spirituality, but then again, you know, that is another set of questions we ask ourselves

Ameliaxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx



posted on Jan, 18 2005 @ 10:43 PM
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Originally posted by Vertu

Originally posted by toechopper
True, it could all be just flukes, but the chances having as many coincidences that I have are so low that it would be a more realistic possibility to question the paranormal aspects of life.


Does this mean that you keep reciting that you recorded a shadow person with your webcamera (for weeks), until someone with extreme knowledge proves you that it's actually a fly? You know: these very simple questions have very simple answers. That's what I am trying to tell everyone, but some ppl just keep reasoning! Every question in life has its own barriers. A normal person will not employ an engineer to set up the shopping, and won't use a scientific calculator to find out what their kids need for Christmas. There are levels of thinking, but very few people still believe that more and more complications will solve a simple problem. Well, they wont!


Um, no, I don't. First of all, I'm a college student, and college student=poor, so I can't afford a webcam. Secondly, while you took some of my words, you took them completely out of context. You completely forgot about the part where I said:

"Yeah, I do believe in some of this stuff, but I have to see it to believe it, and I will believe it ONLY after all other plausible explainations have been discounted."

So chances are that I'm going to come to the conclusion that something was a fly long before I come to the conclusion that I'm videotaping a shadow person. I mean, hey, I'm all for the simplistic answers. Makes less thought on my part. But sometimes the answers are not completely straigtforward. Heck, look at quantum mechanics or astrophysics and tell me that THAT is simplistic!



posted on Jan, 18 2005 @ 11:42 PM
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It is our job as humans to ask questions and wonder why even after we get answers those answers may never be right. So we keep searching keep wondering just because a wall is solid today doesnt mean tommorow it will be solid it could be opique or not even be there for you. If you stop searching for answers your sort of giving up and resigning to life which is what most people do they live their specific life to an old age and die. Sure they may of had many interesting things happen in there time but maybe never the answer they wanted or could of found if they didn't resign to this life 100%. What i mean is if you don't like the answers you have found keep searching there is no point to stop and give up.



posted on Jan, 19 2005 @ 03:06 AM
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Originally posted by toechopper
I mean, hey, I'm all for the simplistic answers. Makes less thought on my part. But sometimes the answers are not completely straigtforward.


Sometimes? I can see, that all your questions are way overcomplicated. The answers are very simple, but you just cannot believe in what you see. That's why you need to overcomplicate the answers you recieve in life. But it is not an option, because it will disturb your own thoughts, making you more sceptical and paranoid.

Anyway, there is no reason to show excuses, I'm better than that... and no offense.



posted on Jan, 19 2005 @ 08:33 AM
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Amelia, reading your qoute of "I love with my heart not wallet" It leads me back to one of my Late father's sayings. "It is as easy to love them rich, as poor".

Now, my husband, when we married, was dirt poor. He came from a well off family(not rich, but comfortable) similar to mine. He is amazingly smart and talented. So, even though poor at 23, he does well now at 35. WE do well now.

I think the number one reason people divorce is money. When you are in college, you can live dirt poor and be happy. It isn't cool when you are 40 and bill collectors are calling. Bills are probably the number one stressor around. Easy solutions like not spending more than you earn, well, people don't seem to do that often.

I sounded just like you in college, and granted, I do love my husband. I would not have married him though if I thought he did not have potential to support us.

Vertu, I don't think anyone knows the answer to your question. I ask questions because I have them. When my life is in turmoil, I don't have as many questions as I am busy sorting out my life. When it is good and happy, the questions increase as I have the energy to expend on non essentials.



posted on Jan, 19 2005 @ 08:52 AM
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Originally posted by Vertu
Sometimes? I can see, that all your questions are way overcomplicated. The answers are very simple, but you just cannot believe in what you see. That's why you need to overcomplicate the answers you recieve in life. But it is not an option, because it will disturb your own thoughts, making you more sceptical and paranoid.


I fail to see how a question can be too complicated. Unless you're idea of a complicated question is one whose answer you're afraid to hear.

Question: so first you are questioning me because I may believe in some of what the paranormal suggests, and then as soon as I explain that I try to be objective about it, you switch sides and say that I shouldn't be so skeptical and just accept what I see? I think that you enjoy arguing just for the sake of doing so



posted on Jan, 20 2005 @ 03:03 AM
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Originally posted by toechopper
I think that you enjoy arguing just for the sake of doing so


I can only say one thing: a fly is just a fly. Not a shadowperson. Is that too complicated? I hope you "see" what I'm trying to point at...



posted on Jan, 20 2005 @ 12:18 PM
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Originally posted by toechopper
Um, no, I don't. First of all, I'm a college student, and college student=poor, so I can't afford a webcam. Secondly, while you took some of my words, you took them completely out of context. You completely forgot about the part where I said:

"Yeah, I do believe in some of this stuff, but I have to see it to believe it, and I will believe it ONLY after all other plausible explainations have been discounted."

So chances are that I'm going to come to the conclusion that something was a fly long before I come to the conclusion that I'm videotaping a shadow person. I mean, hey, I'm all for the simplistic answers. Makes less thought on my part. But sometimes the answers are not completely straigtforward. Heck, look at quantum mechanics or astrophysics and tell me that THAT is simplistic!


Of course I'm going to see that it's a fly! I already said that earlier in the thread!



posted on Jan, 20 2005 @ 01:28 PM
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Originally posted by toechopper
Of course I'm going to see that it's a fly! I already said that earlier in the thread!


But what made that fly appear in front of your webcamera? Ever thought about that? Pure coincidence? I know the answer, but it is yet beyond your imagination.



posted on Jan, 21 2005 @ 12:17 AM
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Originally posted by Vertu
But what made that fly appear in front of your webcamera? Ever thought about that? Pure coincidence? I know the answer, but it is yet beyond your imagination.


In all likelihood, it appeared in front of my camera because it was zipping around (being the annoying little thing that flies are), searching for something disgusting to feast on, and getting in the way of the otherdimensional shambler that I'm supposedly trying to videotape. Even though, in all reality, this hypothetical situation would never take place because I have other things to do with my time. Such as work. And school. And sleep. Let's get real, here. A lot of these things I DON'T believe in, because I haven't seen them, and even after I have seen something, I want to make sure that there couldn't be some other explaination, like maybe that 2 week old burrito I ate the night before. I've said this before. We seem to be going in circles.



posted on Jan, 21 2005 @ 07:57 AM
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Originally posted by toechopper
A lot of these things I DON'T believe in, because I haven't seen them, and even after I have seen something, I want to make sure that there couldn't be some other explaination We seem to be going in circles.


So why does a person believe, that the recorded entity is more like a shadowperson, than a fly? It is clear that it's a fly, still it is more believable, that it is a hostile alien entity feeding on you?

This is the point, why we are diond circles.



posted on Jan, 21 2005 @ 09:55 AM
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Well, even if in the end you don't find the "truth", you still have all of the memories from the search.


I search because I want to know!



posted on Jan, 21 2005 @ 10:30 AM
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Originally posted by JBurns
Well, even if in the end you don't find the "truth", you still have all of the memories from the search.


That's right. And the mass of memories IS the truth! It is not an option to find THE truth, because you'll never find it in this rapidly changing world. Just feel today that you have found the truth, and tomorrow you'll see that actually you didn't. Such a struggle. The truth is only changing day by day, but it is there, and only your memories of past will realize what it actually is.

By the way: you are seeking momentary answers for a too general question, and one opinion/occurance can't be a solution. The mass of past... is a definite solution.

Think about it.



posted on Jan, 21 2005 @ 04:17 PM
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Originally posted by Vertu
So why does a person believe, that the recorded entity is more like a shadowperson, than a fly? It is clear that it's a fly, still it is more believable, that it is a hostile alien entity feeding on you?


I understand your point. I agree with the point with the fly thing, as I have stated again and again and again...but you don't seem to understand that I agree that it is a fly and not a shadowperson
All I'm saying is that when I have a question, I look for the answer, as most inquisitive people would do. Is that so wrong? And don't say "yes, when you think that a fly is a shadowperson, etc. etc"



posted on Jan, 21 2005 @ 04:24 PM
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Originally posted by toechopper
I understand your point. I agree with the point with the fly thing, as I have stated again and again and again...


I know that you know that it was a fly. However, my point was to extend this issue to your further threads, which are based on this.

You would rather believe, that an alien conspiracy is attacking your mind, than to see into your thoughts. We could do circles on magical items, spells and mind control too, but I like this fly-issue better. It's just too funny to miss that. You get it? Such an impact!



posted on Jan, 22 2005 @ 09:22 AM
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Vertu, why are you so disrespectful of others?? You seem to take great pleasure in proving others to be "stupid" or some such similar adjective. Why pick on this fly thing?? She has said she found it to be a fly. Not paranormal.

If you don't believe in paranormal, that is fine. Not everyone does. Though many people do. Roll your eyes and move on. Post something constructive and/or thought provoking. Don't pick and pick.

It always makes me wonder about the motives of those that tear down others to bring themselves up. A few times you have told me not to use your words against you. Your words in print are the only thing that others can go by. Think about that



posted on Jan, 22 2005 @ 09:35 AM
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Originally posted by llpoolej
Your words in print are the only thing that others can go by. Think about that


Who are those "others"?! I exactly know who I am pointing to, and why I am doing all this. Just because a person has multiple nicknames, doesn't mean that he will be any more than one person. And yes: it's a great pleasure to bait a person who is trying to make fools of the entire forum. Not a nice thing to act against others, who are genuine people interested in the infos of this forum. But now for many months, you still can't realize what's going on. Perhaps because you feel more comfortable in your handmade little world. But other people may think differently.

Before you come and blame me for being responsible to this long term situation, you'd better think over what you are doing, and where it has started.

Anyway, I don't even target other innocent people, as you probably see that already.

I hope, you will understand me within a decade...




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