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Lavrov: Baltics show no gratitude for Moscow letting them go

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posted on May, 22 2016 @ 03:30 AM
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originally posted by: NoCorruptionAllowed

originally posted by: Xcathdra Oh the arrogance runs deep... Lavrov: Baltics show no gratitude for Moscow letting them go

STOCKHOLM — Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov says the Baltic countries have shown no gratitude to Moscow for letting them “go in peace” after the Soviet Union collapsed. In an interview published Friday in Swedish newspaper Dagens Nyheter, Lavrov singled out Lithuania as the “most aggressive, Russo-phobic country” and said it is pushing NATO in an “anti-Russian direction.” He said NATO colleagues once told him that Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania would “calm down” once they joined the alliance in 2004. “They joined NATO but there was no calm, especially not with our Lithuanian neighbor,” Lavrov was quoted as saying. Lithuanian Foreign Minister Linas Linkevicius called Lavrov’s comments “pure propaganda.”
Click link for remainder of article... Only Russia could be this arrogant and howl at the moon stupid at the same time. They occupy eastern European countries for 50+ years and turn around and bitch that they are being ungrateful for the USSR "letting them go peacefully"... That doesn't include the fact the USSR invaded and occupied the Baltic nations during the brief USSR-Nazi alliance that saw them invade and divide up Poland. Russia just bitched to the Polish ambassador to Russia because they denied entry to the Russian motorcycle gang. It takes quite a set to complain about countries that were invaded / occupied by the USSR/Russia as being ungrateful.

The Baltic countries regained their independence in the early 1990’s after nearly five decades under Soviet occupation. More than a dozen people were killed and scores were injured in a Soviet crackdown on Lithuania’s independence drive in January 1991.
This is further evidence that the Russian government has lost whats left of its mind / sanity.


Russia "let them go" I guess they feel they did them a big favor that makes them owe Russia something. This is to be expected from a country with a history of unmitigated tyranny to do some act the world sees as honorable, but Russian leaders feel they did a favor which must be repaid, and the recipient of their great generosity should be repaid, for life.


Aside from what you just said what has Russia contributed to the world?

When you dont have accomplishments all you have left is a requirement of false gratitude to take their minds off that lack of accomplishment.
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posted on May, 22 2016 @ 07:50 AM
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originally posted by: AVoiceOfReason
a reply to: DJW001

what russian books? and what is your point?


You apparently were either not born or not paying attention in 1991. Your deeply rooted misunderstanding of the demise of the Soviet Union appear to be in line with Putinist revisionist propaganda. Please do some research in objective histories, for your own good.



posted on May, 22 2016 @ 07:16 PM
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a reply to: DJW001

i did. seems like a declaration was signed that dissolved the soviet union. i just looked it up.



posted on May, 22 2016 @ 07:18 PM
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originally posted by: AVoiceOfReason
a reply to: DJW001

i did. seems like a declaration was signed that dissolved the soviet union. i just looked it up.


After the Baltic states declared their independence.



posted on May, 22 2016 @ 07:19 PM
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a reply to: Phage

thats what we in the biz call an opinion. and a dumb one at that. you never let a good crisis go to waste. the decision to dissolve the USSR was made out of weakness.



posted on May, 22 2016 @ 07:34 PM
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its so crazy that you guys are sooooooo afraid of admiting when youve said a stupid that youll litteraly try to deny history to win an argument. i know you dont think they should be grateful, i get it. but that doesnt reflect on larvrov or what he said. it reflects on you because you are children who dont know how to show gratitude. you all act so spoiled and vindictive that you deny a simple word, grateful. it just means that you appreciate something. why wouldn't the former soviet states show gratitude for being let go? why?

crist you guys are a weird bunch. anything to further the russophobic narrative.



posted on May, 22 2016 @ 07:38 PM
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a reply to: DJW001

no they said we want our independence, and then after a bunch of BS the soviets said yeah ok. that is literally what happened. doesnt matter what they did or didnt do. they would not have gotten their independence if the soviet union did not let them go. thats not how the world works. i brought up Catalonia earlier. just because they overwhelmingly want their independence from Spain and the EU they do not have it, and they can not get it unless Spain says otherwise.



posted on May, 22 2016 @ 07:39 PM
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(post by AVoiceOfReason removed for a manners violation)

posted on May, 22 2016 @ 09:37 PM
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a reply to: AVoiceOfReason

When is Russia going to be grateful and thank the US / West / EU / NATO for not taking Russia out when the USSR collapsed from their idiotic ignorant propaganda driven self important self delusions?

Russia should be completely sanctioned and suspended from the UN until they withdraw from Ukraine, Moldova and Georgia. They should thank the west for not kicking Russias ass out of Ukraine when they violated the Budapest agreement. They should be grateful.



posted on May, 22 2016 @ 09:38 PM
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a reply to: AVoiceOfReason

Stick to the topic and stop the personal attacks. Its how threads get dragged off topic when people cant refute claims / support a failed position and its getting old. If you dont have anything on topic then dont post.



posted on May, 23 2016 @ 04:56 AM
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originally posted by: AVoiceOfReason
a reply to: DJW001

no they said we want our independence, and then after a bunch of BS the soviets said yeah ok. that is literally what happened. doesnt matter what they did or didnt do. they would not have gotten their independence if the soviet union did not let them go. thats not how the world works. i brought up Catalonia earlier. just because they overwhelmingly want their independence from Spain and the EU they do not have it, and they can not get it unless Spain says otherwise.


If the Baltic nations had said that they wanted their independence just a few years earlier - during the time of Brezhnev, Andropov or Chernynko - then they would have been suppressed. Heavily suppressed. I'm not sure if it would have been at the same level as the suppression of Hungary or the Prague Spring, but it would have been nasty.
The Baltics got their independence in 1991 because the rotting hulk that was the USSR finally fell apart after the failure of the coup.



posted on May, 23 2016 @ 06:02 AM
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Occupation of the Baltics


The occupation of the Baltic states refers to the military occupation of the three Baltic states—Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania—by the Soviet Union under the auspices of the Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact on 14 June 1940[1][2] followed by their incorporation into the USSR as constituent republics, unrecognised internationally by most countries.[3] On 22 June 1941 Nazi Germany attacked the USSR and within weeks occupied the Baltic territories. In July 1941, the Baltic territory was incorporated into the Reichskommissariat Ostland of the Third Reich. As a result of the Baltic Offensive of 1944, the Soviet Union recaptured most of the Baltic states and trapped the remaining German forces in the Courland pocket until their formal surrender in May 1945.[4] The Soviet "annexation occupation" (Annexionsbesetzung or occupation sui generis)[5] of the Baltic states lasted until August 1991, when the Baltic states regained independence.

The Baltic states,[6][7] the United States[8][9] and its courts of law,[10] the European Parliament,[11][12][13] the European Court of Human Rights[14] and the United Nations Human Rights Council[15] have all stated that these three countries were invaded, occupied and illegally incorporated into the Soviet Union under provisions[16] of the 1939 Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact, first by the Soviet Union, then by Nazi Germany from 1941 to 1944, and again by the Soviet Union from 1944 to 1991.[17][18][19][20][21][22][23][24] This policy of non-recognition has given rise to the principle of legal continuity, which holds that de jure, or as a matter of law, the Baltic states had remained independent states under illegal occupation throughout the period from 1940 to 1991.[25][26][27]

In its reassessment of Soviet history that began during perestroika in 1989, the USSR condemned the 1939 secret protocol between Germany and itself.[28] However, the USSR never formally acknowledged its presence in the Baltics as an occupation or that it annexed these states,[29] and considered the Estonian, Latvian and Lithuanian Soviet Socialist Republics as its constituent republics.
Nationalist-patriotic[30] Russian historiography and school textbooks continue to maintain that the Baltic states voluntarily joined the Soviet Union after their peoples all carried out socialist revolutions independent of Soviet influence.[31] The Russian government and its state officials insist that incorporation of the Baltic states was in accordance with international law


Gee this sounds familiar........ Ukraine, Georgia and Moldova anyone? Nice to see Putin is continuing the Nazi-Soviet policies.[

Russia should be grateful to the west.
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posted on May, 23 2016 @ 01:53 PM
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a reply to: AVoiceOfReason




its so crazy that you guys are sooooooo afraid of admiting when youve said a stupid that youll litteraly try to deny history to win an argument.


When shown evidence to back claims it seems you just dismiss it without actually providing anything to back your own claims...why?



but that doesnt reflect on larvrov or what he said.


Why?



it reflects on you because you are children who dont know how to show gratitude.


Really, just because someone doesn't agree with your interpretation of history they are a child...gotcha.



you all act so spoiled and vindictive


So says the person who is mad because their version of history is questioned...Amazing.



why wouldn't the former soviet states show gratitude for being let go? why?


Maybe this is why...


Nearly three years after all three Baltic States regained their independence,Russia continues to infringe on their sovereignty, intervene in their internal affairs and subject them to coercive diplomacy.Russia's failure to complete the withdrawal of its troops from Estonia and Latvia, a long and varied series of incidents involving the Russian forces, and allegations that Estonia and Latvia have violated the human rights of their Russian-speaking population, are issues that have acquired a particularly menacing aspect in view of Russia's characterization of the Baltics as being within the "near abroad," not as independent and sovereign as other European states--and the recently formulated military doctrine and activist foreign policy that reflect a resurgent Russian imperialism. Since 1991, all these interrelated political problems have been at the center of Estonian, Latvian, and, in some respects, Lithuanian, security concerns and their deteriorating relationship with Russia.



Following their occupation of the Baltic States, the Soviets killed or deported hundreds of thousands of Estonians, Latvians and Lithuanians while thousands more fled into exile on the eve of Soviet reoccupation in 1944.


www.bu.edu...

You might be right they should be grateful that Russia didn't deport them, or kill them while they were being occupied, but I think the grateful gesture you think they should show will never happen considering their past.



anything to further the russophobic narrative.


No some people just can't handle the truth.



posted on May, 23 2016 @ 06:54 PM
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originally posted by: AngryCymraeg

originally posted by: AVoiceOfReason
a reply to: DJW001

no they said we want our independence, and then after a bunch of BS the soviets said yeah ok. that is literally what happened. doesnt matter what they did or didnt do. they would not have gotten their independence if the soviet union did not let them go. thats not how the world works. i brought up Catalonia earlier. just because they overwhelmingly want their independence from Spain and the EU they do not have it, and they can not get it unless Spain says otherwise.


If the Baltic nations had said that they wanted their independence just a few years earlier - during the time of Brezhnev, Andropov or Chernynko - then they would have been suppressed. Heavily suppressed. I'm not sure if it would have been at the same level as the suppression of Hungary or the Prague Spring, but it would have been nasty.


It would have been much worse. Hungary and Czechoslovakia were separate and nominally independent countries. Baltics were part of the USSR.

Look what Putin did to Chechnya.

www.aljazeera.com...

The atrocities would have been one-sided though against Baltics.

Catalonia and Spain are much closer historically and culturally than Baltics and Russia.
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