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Lavrov: Baltics show no gratitude for Moscow letting them go

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posted on Apr, 29 2016 @ 09:24 PM
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Oh the arrogance runs deep...

Lavrov: Baltics show no gratitude for Moscow letting them go


STOCKHOLM — Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov says the Baltic countries have shown no gratitude to Moscow for letting them “go in peace” after the Soviet Union collapsed.

In an interview published Friday in Swedish newspaper Dagens Nyheter, Lavrov singled out Lithuania as the “most aggressive, Russo-phobic country” and said it is pushing NATO in an “anti-Russian direction.”

He said NATO colleagues once told him that Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania would “calm down” once they joined the alliance in 2004.

“They joined NATO but there was no calm, especially not with our Lithuanian neighbor,” Lavrov was quoted as saying.

Lithuanian Foreign Minister Linas Linkevicius called Lavrov’s comments “pure propaganda.”


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Only Russia could be this arrogant and howl at the moon stupid at the same time. They occupy eastern European countries for 50+ years and turn around and bitch that they are being ungrateful for the USSR "letting them go peacefully"... That doesn't include the fact the USSR invaded and occupied the Baltic nations during the brief USSR-Nazi alliance that saw them invade and divide up Poland. Russia just bitched to the Polish ambassador to Russia because they denied entry to the Russian motorcycle gang.

It takes quite a set to complain about countries that were invaded / occupied by the USSR/Russia as being ungrateful.


The Baltic countries regained their independence in the early 1990’s after nearly five decades under Soviet occupation. More than a dozen people were killed and scores were injured in a Soviet crackdown on Lithuania’s independence drive in January 1991.


This is further evidence that the Russian government has lost whats left of its mind / sanity.
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posted on Apr, 29 2016 @ 10:12 PM
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I think that it was decided between the UK the US and Russia who would get what parts after WW2 ....Or that was what they seemed to all agree on at the time .These small states needs a big brother .If they are determined to look west then they may end up like Ukraine .Not in a ideal position at the moment and not looking good for the future . Maybe they could grab some cash from Germany and take in a bunch of refugees .Maybe Ukraine can take advantage of that deal too .But I suppose that Turkey needs to make up for the lost ISIS oil $$ .



posted on Apr, 29 2016 @ 10:13 PM
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I think that it was decided between the UK the US and Russia who would get what parts after WW2

More or less. But it didn't have much to do with the Baltics. The USSR (not to be confused with Russia) had claimed them well prior.
www.history.com...

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posted on Apr, 29 2016 @ 10:17 PM
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Seemed to be what the major powers were doing .I am thinking about Palestine as just one .



posted on Apr, 29 2016 @ 10:24 PM
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a reply to: the2ofusr1
Israel was part of the Yalta agreement. The Baltics were purely the Soviets.



posted on Apr, 29 2016 @ 10:27 PM
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Not really.. What was decided was the countries in the occupation zones would be returned to sovereign status. The west kept their part while the USSR did not.

The "small states" pose no threat to Russia so their concern is based on false premise. Its not coincidental that when the USSR ended its occupation of E. European countries when they failed / collapsed that those formerly occupied countries took measures to ensure Russia would never occupy them again.

Currently Russia is threatening Finland and Sweden with "technical-military response" if they join NATO. Once again Russia fails to understand that when you threaten a country they will look for ways to defend themselves, like joining defensive military alliances.

Ironic that Russia wants to claim they are a major power yet they are scared crap-less by countries a fraction of their size with a fraction of their military.

Putin should stop digging his own grave before hes pushed into it.



posted on Apr, 29 2016 @ 10:50 PM
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Currently Russia is threatening Finland and Sweden with "technical-military response" if they join NATO. Once again Russia fails to understand that when you threaten a country they will look for ways to defend themselves, like joining defensive military alliances.
Russia is concerned .Us was concerned about Cuba .NATO which is a US proxy group may have had its time and place in the past but it seems to be used more as a offensive then defensive thing . Look at Libya or even Afghanistan .We in the west are told one story that has to be maintained but if you really look into it you can see what Russia is protesting . In the East you have Japan that is the proxy .In the ME its the terrorist and is a covert CIA proxy. With all the balls being juggled you can be sure that the ball will be dropped every now and again .

I think its coming down to a time thing now .Russia seems to be able to play the stale mate game really well .When they make gains its usually a + in the public's eye . Nuland was a big ball drop .Anyone one that doesn't see that is not looking . Its not a big step to think that the other Baltic states are being set up by the west as well .Russia would be stupid to ignore that and not try to sway it into a more favourable position for them . and they will use military if they feel the need to .The west knows it too .



posted on Apr, 29 2016 @ 11:19 PM
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The US was concerned about Cuba when the USSR deployed nuclear missiles to it. We could use Russia's paranoia and invade Cuba to prevent a threat to the US. If the Russians can use that excuse for Ukraine, Georgia and Moldova then the US can use it in Cuba.

NATO is not a proxy anything. Its a defensive alliance meant to deter aggression from the USSR and now Russia. NATO by the way was not a US idea / initiative. It was in fact a UK idea.

Russia signed onto the Libya UN resolution. They could have vetoed but opted not to.

Japan is not a US proxy and has legitimate territorial disputes with China AND Russia. You toss around the term proxy without due regard for history. Why is it any nation that is allied with the US or a NATO member is a proxy? Does that make N. Korea, China and the other failed states proxies of Russia? You confuse military political alliances among sovereign nations as proxies. Apparently you nor Russia understand those concepts, even though Putin bitches about not being treated with respect. Its hard to get respect when you refuse to give it to other countries.

As for the time game I agree but not for the reasons you listed. The next US President will not be as weak as Obama is. Russia / China has a very small window to grab what they can before someone is elected that will tell them no and mean it, backing it up with force if needed.

The Baltic states are not being set up by anyone. They joined NATO because of the USSR occupying them and their lack of trust in Russia not occupying them again. Russia would be stupid to test article V of the NATO charter by acting against a NATO member and Putin knows this since he made the very comment some time back.

Putin is going to miscalculate by invading a NATO member thinking NATO nations wont act. Russian arrogance in assuming they can invade smaller NATO members and assume NATO wont respond because they are small members will be Putins end. They showed this arrogance when they were approached about joining NATO. Russia could not accept the fact a country like Estonia had equal say with countries like the US or Russia. They wanted special treatment to join and NATO said no.

The west knows Russia will use force as we watched it occur when Russia invaded and occupied parts of Ukraine and Georgia and Moldova... Russia needs to understand that the west, if pushed hard enough, will respond to Russian aggression. However I think Russia will collapse economically before we get to that stage though. I would not be surprised if we saw some sort of coup occur, removing Putin and his cronies before the end of this year.
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posted on Apr, 30 2016 @ 04:38 AM
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As well they shouldn't...look how well they were treated when wanting a better living standard than what Russia gave them.

They had no choice before and now they do Russia is mad...oh the irony there.

Russia had the chance to do big things and change the way the world viewed them, but ever since Sochi was a bust for them they have gone absolutely old USSR bat # crazy, and are trying their best to try and get those countries back to thinking the old ways are best...problem is they know better and Russia is having a hissy fit about it.

Maybe Russia should learn to be nicer to it's neighbors, and they wouldn't be throwing a hissy because their old neighbor wants an upgrade in living standards and protection from becoming the next Crimea.

Problem is Russia hasn't learned the past ways aren't what people are looking for...they want to be part of the 21st century and not the 19th that Russia seems to want to relive.

Seems kharma has caught up to them and is now paying them back.



posted on Apr, 30 2016 @ 05:35 AM
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Its up there with Finland and Sweden... 2 countries that remained neutral through the cold war. Ever since Russia invaded Ukraine and threatening the Baltic nations both countries are considering joining NATO. What does Russia do? Threaten both countries militarily with the idiotic mindset that the threats will prevent them from joining NATO. Russia's actions were enough to push the people of those 2 countries to favor NATO membership. A stark change considering for the longest time the citizens of both countries favored non alignment.

The latest reports released on the topic shows both nations acknowledging the consequences militarily and economically by joining NATO (Russian reaction to it) and still think, given current circumstances, they would be better off joining.

As has been stated many times Russia's actions are creating the very situations that Russia does not want.



posted on Apr, 30 2016 @ 07:23 AM
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Lithuania's Russo-phobic ? Nah... we're just kremlino-phobic
Lavrov is furious that someone dares to call them out for their bulls**t time and time, and time again.



posted on Apr, 30 2016 @ 11:13 AM
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As has been stated many times Russia's actions are creating the very situations that Russia does not want.


But it's the west's fault just ask anyone that defends the actions of Mr. Putin.


Putin doesn't seem to care about what he causes, as long as he can keep Russia looking as though it's the victim of the big bad NATO, but that wolf cry will only last but so long...and that time is coming to an end.



posted on Apr, 30 2016 @ 01:32 PM
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NATO by the way was not a US idea / initiative. It was in fact a UK idea.
Lets see ..UK one of the five eyes group .Washington will use what ever proxy they decide to use at any time .You can bet your bottom dollar that it was not Putin or other sane thinking Russians that signed onto the Libya deal .In fact Mr. Medvedev took some flack for that .His political career has been going down hill ever sense . But to the point of the thread and the threat that all their neighbours are concerned about .I don't think its got any real threat but the states are crying for more protection in order to have DC set them up with a NATO component .The real threat that DC is concerned with it Russias ability to defend themselves . I think this vid speaks volumes and is just another stale mate in the great power game .Like Nuland said prior to getting their guy Yats to fill in the power vacume caused by the coup and the Ukranian leader to flee the country .Think Lybia ..He seen what was happening
and could guess his fate . But like Nuland said and F the EU ...DC doesn't care about these states


Your view of Putin loosing control is nothing more then a neocon wet dream .In fact Putin just made some very interesting and telling moves that says the Russian people want him to stay in power for years to come .He created a new Guard system and has a kind of new quazi political group that any country would be impressed with . Its designed to bypass the slow corrupted bureaucracy and get the message from the people right to the top where Putin sits . You dont want these people calling their good friend Mr. Putin if you are involved with corruption of not doing your job .
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posted on Apr, 30 2016 @ 05:04 PM
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originally posted by: Xcathdra


NATO is not a proxy anything. Its a defensive alliance meant to deter aggression from the USSR and now Russia. NATO by the way was not a US idea / initiative. It was in fact a UK idea.
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Russia always projects its own tyrannical concepts of imperialist rule onto others. Russia assumes that NATO is a US proxy of puppet states ruled from DC, the way the Warsaw Pact was a set of puppet states ruled from Moscow. Russia still assumes everything in Ukraine was all NATO/EU intervention, as if the authentic desires and domestic politics of Ukraine had no role, when in truth it was completely dominant.

They don't see that after the end of the USSR, all the Central/Eastern european states went to NATO not because it was "NATO that was expanding" (like Smersh controlled from a bunker in Brussels) but the countries on their own wanted on their own to join, because they experienced Russia up close.



posted on Apr, 30 2016 @ 08:46 PM
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but the countries on their own wanted on their own to join, because they experienced Russia up close.
Mexico to the south will experience their neighbour to the North up and close once the wall is built .I think the South should double down and make the wall twice as high to keep the US controlling factions out as well . What's good for the goose after all . I see France is wanting to unwind the sanction on Russia .Maybe cooler heads will prevail but I some how doubt it . DC is F the EU and France if need be and the UK can go to the back of the line ...Yea what a system and what a country this District of Columbia really is . Talk about your proverbial little horn eh . The story ends with that beast being utterly destroyed and the other 3 beast allowed to carry on for a time . Justice with all those chickens finally coming home to roost perhaps . Interesting to watch in real time .



posted on Apr, 30 2016 @ 09:50 PM
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DC is neither a system nor a country. Its a federal district outlined in the Constitution.

The 5 headed analogy has nothing to do with your claim and my response to it. In addition not one country alone runs NATO and the North Atlantic Council bears that out.

Your comment on Mexico is perplexing considering a wall was started sometime ago. Considering Trump is only a contender for the republican nomination your jumping the gun with your comment. Secondly a President can make all the promises they want however in the end its Congress who has the ultimate say considering they are responsible for the purse strings.

Your attempt to use Neulands comment is disingenuous considering that comment was made about the events unfolding in Ukraine and nowhere else.

As for Putin being tossed aside I think its more of a possibility than what you think. Given the manner in which Putin has made changes and the area those changes occurred in it smacks of desperation based on a Hitleresque survival mentality.



posted on Apr, 30 2016 @ 09:54 PM
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And Russia was the first to VIOLATE the 1987 intermediate range nuclear forces (INF) treaty with the Iskander. Russia constantly bitches about a purely defensive weapons system that could stop a rouge or accidental ICBM launch from Russia and save them the guaranteed destruction of one of their largest cities as payback for such a launch so they build a purely offensive ballistic missile that violates the entire peace of Europe. That's the typical backwards Russian logic for ya.



posted on May, 1 2016 @ 03:12 AM
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.I think the South should double down and make the wall twice as high to keep the US controlling factions out as well .


Well that's interesting, but you don't have a big rush of people wanting to leave the US to go to Mexico...I think you missed the whole reason for a wall.



I see France is wanting to unwind the sanction on Russia


No you see 55 out of 577 seats in the lower house that agreed to this...not close to the whole French government wanting this.


Another detail about the vote which Russian media ignored is the number of MPs actually present during the vote. There are 577 seats in the French lower house of Parliament, during the anti-sanctions vote only 101 MPs were present, 55 supported Mariani’s proposal, two abstained and 44 voted against it.


And the MP who offered this resolution is a known pro Russian member of the French parliament that supported Russia's annexation of Crimea.


Thierry Mariani, a member of the Popular Right movement within the French Republican party who proposed the draft bill is well known for his pro-Russian views. He caused great controversy last year when together with a group of French legislators he visited Crimea and spoke in support of the Ukrainian peninsula’s annexation by Russia. Both France and Ukraine condemned the visit, calling it irresponsible and a violation of international law.


www.stopfake.org...

You really should research before you post such erroneous comments.



posted on May, 11 2016 @ 12:57 PM
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It's the bully saying "I'm a gonna beat youse up cuz you don't wanna be friends with me and you aint showin respect for me stopping beating you the other day."



posted on May, 11 2016 @ 04:27 PM
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how is that arrogant? seems pretty reasonable. if america or israel left iran alone youd expect iran to be thankful for that, right?



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