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Lost in Thought and Action

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posted on Apr, 28 2016 @ 09:51 PM
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Are we defined by our Beliefs or our Actions?

I think most people would argue that we are defined by our actions as opposed to our beliefs. After all, beliefs are generally passive; we maintain them, but do not have to express them through action. Whereas actions are generally active; we express them overtly and they affect others. Much of the time, an action is the direct expression of a belief: if I am thirsty, I will pour myself a glass a water and drink as I believe doing so will quench my thirst. Sometimes it is not: a pacifist, non-violent person shoving somebody else who is threatening their life.

So when does the line between belief and action get blurred? It seems this happens when you try to strictly define both belief and action. Technically speaking, thinking itself is an action, even though it is a physically passive activity. I am yet to meet a person who does not have bad/dark/negative thoughts at least rarely and only has good/light/positive thoughts. But it would be illogical to define somebody by the types of thoughts they have alone; after all, our personal thoughts do not directly influence anybody else, unless they somehow transform into action.

For example, say I have a neighbour who is travelling pretty well in life — he has a successful marriage, a loving family, a wide social network and is financially secure. Say I don't have all of those things and secretly am envious of him. I might hold deep, negative thoughts about him and even — subconsciously — hope that he loses these things because it's not fair he has them and I don't. Nevertheless, I don't speak negatively about him to other neighbours, always lend him tools if he is in need, and even invited him and his family over for dinner on the odd occasion, which they graciously accept from time to time.

Some would say this makes you somewhat "fake". That I am lying to myself and the neighbour by being friendly with him while harbouring negative feelings/thoughts about him. I tend to disagree with this assertion though; doesn't this really show that in this example, I am a strong and considerate person who values treating others with respect even while struggling with my own inner demons?

That is precisely why I could theoretically be friends with anybody, depsite whether their beliefs support or conflict with my own. I can be friends with racists, anti-semites, homophobes, transgenders, environmentalists, animal rights activists, anarchists, flat-earthists, conservatives, liberals, progressives, libertarians etc. because I do not define people by their beliefs alone. I do not even judge people by their actions because I realise most people do not act rationally in times of stress and difficultly.

I understand this is a rather unique perspective to maintain and I know not everyone will agree. Nonetheless, I was curious if anybody on this website could relate to what I have said and maybe share their thoughts.




posted on Apr, 28 2016 @ 09:58 PM
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a reply to: Dark Ghost

I agree with you. I never judge people. I love all humans, we are all unique. Even us bad humans. The humans I do not like are humans who physically hurt another human.

No man women or child deserves physical pain in their live.

Awesome post, thank you!
S/F



posted on Apr, 28 2016 @ 10:46 PM
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a reply to: Dark Ghost


We are defined by how we interpret our beliefs and then resulting in action.


Used to play pool in a Biker bar and I am not a Biker.


But I do know how to play pool.
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posted on Apr, 28 2016 @ 11:09 PM
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No one knows for certain if we have been taken hostage and forced into living in a dream like state that we have no control of either.

No one knows for sure if we have been injected with artificial thoughts that are not our own which overrides the original thought process we used to have.

I'm thinking and using action to type up thoughts of you standing still at a high cliff and lifting one arm up, and then another arm up, then closing your eyes and slowly opening them to see I changed your arms into magnificent angel wings, would you be upset with me for having done so even though you requested them at one time in a thought of yours I heard with a vision of you looking over dark angel pictures longing to be one? Would you be in despair for not having arms with hands to type with anymore, unable to perform a necessary action that combines thought and movement traveling at light speed or have a grin on your face having a dream of yours granted, no longer responsible for actions that only arms with hands can do and then take off and fly in search of new arms to place under your wings because you are biologically driven to exist with arms. All are an endless supply of actions and thoughts that cause a chain of reactions. Was it good or bad? I don't know because people don't know what they really want in the first place, they just think they do. Thought and action are interchangable and travel faster than the speed of light.


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posted on Apr, 28 2016 @ 11:41 PM
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a reply to: WhiteWingedMonolith


In context what we do understand about our surroundings is that it could very well have nothing to do with how any one of us, care to define it.



posted on Apr, 29 2016 @ 02:40 AM
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a reply to: Dark Ghost

No one can utter any belief without action... action of course has an effect on whatever it contacts, that effect is variable even though people try to make it a constant even though a constant is a belief even in the constant such as a continuous siren going off somewhere it the world at any given time when all of them are seen as one sound, that state is impermanet in and of itself as there is only a belief that sirens will last forever in such a fashion, its just a current condition making it appear continuous... and only a statistical thought form making that a global reality but relative reality of contact local to someone does not exprerience that as a constant.

So these effects of these actions are just variables subject to arise and vanish and just like a belief as shown, is only extistent based on perception as a possibility as a subject but is not objectively occuring in a localized time and space at that constant relative to the observer. Of course someone reading this may hear a siren and whoop there it is but that sound will not last as a constant longer than ones total experience of life to te end, unless they are the one being carted off in it and die on the way to be treated... of course consciousness believing such actions lead to a permanence called death, does not make it any more true when the subconscious commonly unpercieved percieves so many subtle things as a consciousness itself...

when dreaming does your body know its asleep what about the dream consciousness playing jump rope with Whinnie the Pooh... same sort of thing with death, the continuity of consciousness carries on and well action is still action and effect is still effect even when skipping rope with a fantasy bear that was created by someone and can be experienced in the real world as tangible and have a real world effect and requires no belief...

However in all this creation of gods etc people believe in and they say as a real effect how is it any different that a book and skipping rope in a dream, may be real to the perciever but its is not a lasting experience and subject to change just like waking up and that yellow bear has eaten no ones hunny as he is apt to do.

I could believe this has an effect on people what ive written, but without any reply later upon sight how would I know other than making a logical leap or assumption over a rope not yet or that possibly never will be reality, perhaps ill never come back to it... so there would be no way of knowing if there would be a reply.

Perhaps this just conflagerated things obtusely instead of any parralel making the conditioning of thinking even worse as theres no problem really to solve, believe or dont believe theres no real answer to judge right or wrong except by some self validating aspect to affirm a reality as one percieves it to exist, or believes it does... effects of such a thing have more responsibility that people pretend they dont... that whole itll be ok just believe. And hey thats an option but also simply just a choice when a leg is not really busted to need such a crutch to ease onself around on or toss up as a defense at any adversity they may feel threatened by... or uncomfortable with... the illusion of that being belief permanent and not having any negative effect on others because its sooo very good for solving every single problem without any personal effort at all, as if belief is constantly there to massage ones feet and feeds one grapes... i suppose that would be heaven to some... not something attainable for eternity as things are subject to change as a natural side effect of such graspings.



posted on Apr, 29 2016 @ 06:47 PM
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a reply to: Dark Ghost

It is indeed a superstition to judge others or even oneself according to what they believe or think. One could have the most perverse and violent thoughts without ever acting on them, and he is no more evil than the one who has the best and most positive thoughts.

There is a prevalent notion that conservatives are evil, greedy and bigoted because of what they think, while socialists are benevolent and compassionate because of what they think, but if you judge their actions (which you should), you'll begin to see an opposite picture. This realization has thrown a wrench into my political leanings.



posted on Apr, 29 2016 @ 07:25 PM
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I know exactly what you are talking about and agree with you.

We sometimes cannot help the negative thoughts. However, by being civil to others and hiding how we feel, we can do a lot of good. It means we do not spoil their day and affect their positivity.

It is not hypocritical at all. If someone smiles at me and behaves nicely , it does a lot of good to me. It does not matter that the person secretly hates me.



posted on Apr, 29 2016 @ 07:26 PM
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originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: Dark Ghost



There is a prevalent notion that conservatives are evil, greedy and bigoted because of what they think, while socialists are benevolent and compassionate because of what they think, but if you judge their actions (which you should), you'll begin to see an opposite picture. This realization has thrown a wrench into my political leanings.


Totally agree with you , for once.



posted on Apr, 29 2016 @ 07:57 PM
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originally posted by: Kashai
a reply to: WhiteWingedMonolith
In context what we do understand about our surroundings is that it could very well have nothing to do with how any one of us, care to define it.

Define it enough to not get oneself killed (a speeding car running a red light, grizzly bear stalking you, a 200 foot drop off cliff to your immediate left you failed to avoid). The scenarios are endless.
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posted on Apr, 29 2016 @ 08:57 PM
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originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: Dark Ghost

It is indeed a superstition to judge others or even oneself according to what they believe or think. One could have the most perverse and violent thoughts without ever acting on them, and he is no more evil than the one who has the best and most positive thoughts.

There is a prevalent notion that conservatives are evil, greedy and bigoted because of what they think, while socialists are benevolent and compassionate because of what they think, but if you judge their actions (which you should), you'll begin to see an opposite picture. This realization has thrown a wrench into my political leanings.


That whole judging by groups is going to do you in, to find a better middle of balance? Might I suggest dialing it back to individuals? The more you speak with individuals of all sorts though... youll see that judging them even then starts to become moot as same needs same basic hopes etc etc next thing you know youre a unbiased humanist asshole like myself. The Dalai Lama of course said dont be an asshole... and I said well when in the company of assholes its good to know the language. Yeah its all just opinions is the joke...
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posted on Apr, 29 2016 @ 11:20 PM
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a reply to: vethumanbeing


Define death?

Take a look at this and get back to me.




posted on May, 4 2016 @ 08:18 PM
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originally posted by: Kashai
a reply to: vethumanbeing

Kashai: Define death? Take a look at this and get back to me.

I understand the premise. I have a problem with Absolute Law (that which is absolute) and Infinities total disregard of this law. Two siblings fighting it out in the (infinite) multiverse. Define 'Death'; confined to the physical matter vessel death (decay)? There is no spiritual death as ones soul is eternal.
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posted on May, 5 2016 @ 11:49 AM
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a reply to: vethumanbeing
The absolute when subjected to subjective reality has only one law: impermanence



posted on May, 5 2016 @ 07:23 PM
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originally posted by: BigBrotherDarkness
a reply to: vethumanbeing
The absolute whien subjected to subjective reality has only one law: impermanence

The Absolute in its essence means, being separate, free or supreme/self sufficient. Supreme in power describes as Law or Sovereign without any restriction as IS the ruler of all. Infinite implies a state of boundlessness, limitlessness. Not bound to time/space shape or any combination of as in: not finitus; finished. Infinite means not complete or remains capable of any manifestation. Absolute is fixed, Infinite is a state of flux, to explore endless possibilities of new creations.
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posted on May, 5 2016 @ 07:58 PM
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a reply to: vethumanbeing

Joshus cow also says Mu...



posted on May, 5 2016 @ 08:08 PM
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originally posted by: BigBrotherDarkness
a reply to: vethumanbeing

Joshus cow also says Mu...

"Jack is missing? what does this mean what could it mean; has anyone dredged the Lake"?



posted on May, 5 2016 @ 08:22 PM
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a reply to: vethumanbeing

The real question is who cranked the handle and pulled him out of the box... my money is that it is anyone but Pandora, doubtful she would break her own box.



posted on May, 5 2016 @ 08:34 PM
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originally posted by: BigBrotherDarkness
a reply to: vethumanbeing

The real question is who cranked the handle and pulled him out of the box... my money is that it is anyone but Pandora, doubtful she would break her own box.

That is a very good question. Who alerted; who found the Absolutes Achilles heel and let/gave Infinity the opportunity to thrive?
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posted on May, 5 2016 @ 09:34 PM
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Mine was a trick question, if Pandora asks who broke her box out of my duty to honesty I can only say I know te tune but point at you, and suggest not dredging lakes as thats a likely misdirection to buy you more time...




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