Denmark ethics council calls for tax on red meat to fight 'ethical problem' of climate change

a reply to: tadaman

Its just another scheme to take more of what you earn and give it to the state.

It's really NOT just another scheme.... it is a scheme unlike the world has EVER seen before.

When have the people of Earth ever seen a racket that encompasses (basically) the ENTIRE globe? Sure, over the millennia individual nations have scammed/abused their citizens.... but this thing is, again, on a world wide scale.

originally posted by: Kali74
a reply to: SprocketUK

I'm one of those evil vegetarians...

Are you feeling a bit totalitarian? A lot of veggies do...
Maybe you should carry around a peppermint for emergencies?

originally posted by: IAMNOTYOU

originally posted by: SprocketUK

originally posted by: IAMNOTYOU

originally posted by: SprocketUK
What a travesty. A tax on the food we eat...

Hitler was a vegetarian and stuff like this makes me think that perhaps his vegetarianism might be what sent him dolally since there is a lot of omnivore hating going on in veggie circles.

we passed a new law in Denmark a couple of months ago, that allows us to pull goldteeth out of the mouth of refugess who tries to get asylum here... we take EVERYTHING they own, when they get here...

Iam just so proud of being a dane these days...

Sounds like you all need to go Wiking :-)

lol, i would love that

- i got the blond hair, and the blue eyes, but i seem to have misplaced my battle axe..

so unless my neighbour is gonna let me borrow his, i dont think its gonna happen lol

You don't need the axe, just a sense of adventure and some wood to make a boat.

Here you see the root of the opposition to a flat tax in action.

Taxes are used as much for social engineering as revenue collection. Undesirable actions are penalized through taxes and desirable actions are encouraged through tax benefits. Of course, the wealthy can afford the tax penalties so it doesn't affect them.

This is the reason I tend to be suspicious of the whole man-made climate change movement. If humans are doing something to damage the environment, the correct solution is to stop doing it. Government's solution always seems to be more taxes, which means if you have the money you can keep doing it.

Maybe the Danish Council on Ethics should consider the ethics of using taxes for social engineering.

a reply to: SprocketUK

Naturally.

originally posted by: Kali74
a reply to: SprocketUK

Naturally.

It was supposed to say pepperami

But peppermint worked in such a delightfully twee way.

a reply to: 727Sky

The main problem is this.

Government (any government) will spend the money they get from the additional taxes.

Then people will stop eating red meat.

Which means tax revenues will decrease.

Which means that the government will have to find something else to tax to make up for the shortfall of taxes on red meat.


Ahhh, socialism. Still failing after all these years!

originally posted by: IAMNOTYOU

we passed a new law in Denmark a couple of months ago, that allows us to pull goldteeth out of the mouth of refugess who tries to get asylum here... we take EVERYTHING they own, when they get here...

Iam just so proud of being a dane these days...

Seriously? Wow.......

I would never expect this from Denmark. All the Danes i have ever met have been wonderfully chilled, happy people with no malice (i know, scientific appoach!).

That policy is so.......Auschwitz.........

originally posted by: Kali74
a reply to: SprocketUK

I'm one of those evil vegetarians...

Burn the witch!

a reply to: 727Sky

How austere…

The government raises tax to offset the debt from their spending too much. If they would stop overspending, then they could balance the books and stop making the people pay for it.

originally posted by: Kali74
a reply to: SprocketUK

I'm one of those evil vegetarians...

I don't think vegetarians are evil. I love my veggies too. I do think they sometimes get a little self-righteous and holier than thou though.

Look, I love my food, period, stop, end of sentence. All of it, in all its many forms. Stop trying to food-shame me because my diet is more expansive than yours.

a reply to: DBCowboy

You also forgot the people who end up being hurt in their livelihoods because people aren't buying their meat. Then they end up needing government assistance ... and the cycle goes on with ever more dependent on a shrinking pile of tax money.

originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: 727Sky

How austere…

The government raises tax to offset the debt from their spending too much. If they would stop overspending, then they could balance the books and stop making the people pay for it.

This is where i have a bit of sympathy for governments (Western) in that the more we want, the more there is to pay for - so they have to raise taxes. At the end of the day, hospitals, healthcare, education, transport, etc doesn't magically appear......we have to pay for it.

The NHS is a prime example. It was set up to provide basic healthcare for the public. We now think we should get gastric bands, cosmetic surgery (non essential), etc all on the NHS, so obviously costs rise. And this then has to be paid for.

To be honest, this is where i get all conflicted in that i too think we should get full health cover (as one example) whilst at the same time being wholly against big government - an incompatible position!

a reply to: Flavian

And who's fault is that?

Politicians do it for votes and nothing else, and now that the public has discovered that they can simply vote themselves into other people's pockets anytime they want something, no matter how ridiculous such things are, you end up losing more and more of what you have to pay for stupid things that government properly has NO business paying for.

And all the time, you are cannibalizing means from people who might have been able to do on their own if only they'd stop voting government into everyone's pockets to pay for crap. And the cycle widens and continues.

Margaret Thatcher was wise. Eventually, there will be no one left with a pocket government can reach into and then what will we all do?

a reply to: 727Sky


They're always screwing the country's citizens. Shouldn't they be taxing corporations and those entities that have caused climate change with their products and releasing pollutants into the environment? Why does the citizen always end up holding the bill for the responsibilities of corporations?

a reply to: ketsuko

Agree. Unfortunately, that will be when reality bites and we discover the world is actually a harsh place and that concepts such as "rights" are completely fabricated constructs that mean didly squat in the real world.

As much as governments and taxes, etc, annoy us, the alternative is anarchy and a free for all - and that world will be much more unfair.

originally posted by: WeRpeons
a reply to: 727Sky


They're always screwing the country's citizens. Shouldn't they be taxing corporations and those entities that have caused climate change with their products and releasing pollutants into the environment? Why does the citizen always end up holding the bill for the responsibilities of corporations?

How would you prefer your tax?

They tax you directly and you pay directly and know it's a tax.

They tax the corp and the corp raises its prices and you pay indirectly and hate the corp for gouging you, but you are basically still paying the tax.

In the end, since we are talking about climate change and carbon, I rather suspect that you will end up being taxed both ways.

a reply to: Flavian

This is where i have a bit of sympathy for governments (Western) in that the more we want, the more there is to pay for - so they have to raise taxes. At the end of the day, hospitals, healthcare, education, transport, etc doesn't magically appear……we have to pay for it.

If the wealthy paid their fair share of tax, then those things could be provided, instead of borrowing the money from banks and saddling the people with more tax to pay the interest on the rising debt.

Funny how when they want to kill an industry they tax it huh?

Maybe all these taxes are bad.

We all know how this is going to end: